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besides lesbianism is about same-sex attraction as it's a sexual orientation and not a gender identity or even close to that sort of thing. so disregarded the "sex" of the orientation lesbian is to disregard the sexual attraction.
Date: 14-03-2021 11:42
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acidreflux wrote:
besides lesbianism is about same-sex attraction as it's a sexual orientation and not a gender identity or even close to that sort of thing. so disregarded the "sex" of the orientation lesbian is to disregard the sexual attraction.
Yeah im confused I think but if I was a lesbian rite, I wouldn't wanna b w someone thta either looks like a man (like born a man) or has a dick or smth like that idk. Same as I don't wanna b w men now that look like they were born women or they have le vagina 
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Date: 14-03-2021 11:44
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ouch wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
besides lesbianism is about same-sex attraction as it's a sexual orientation and not a gender identity or even close to that sort of thing. so disregarded the "sex" of the orientation lesbian is to disregard the sexual attraction.
Yeah im confused I think but if I was a lesbian rite, I wouldn't wanna b w someone thta either looks like a man (like born a man) or has a dick or smth like that idk. Same as I don't wanna b w men now that look like they were born women or they have le vagina 
yep 
i'm a lesbian and i only want to be with women w vageens, like that's the same sex attraction, otherwise it's pointless.
if u don't mind dick + vagina, then you're bi.
Date: 14-03-2021 11:45
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ouch wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
ouch wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
besides lesbianism is about same-sex attraction as it's a sexual orientation and not a gender identity or even close to that sort of thing. so disregarded the "sex" of the orientation lesbian is to disregard the sexual attraction.
Yeah im confused I think but if I was a lesbian rite, I wouldn't wanna b w someone thta either looks like a man (like born a man) or has a dick or smth like that idk. Same as I don't wanna b w men now that look like they were born women or they have le vagina 
yep 
i'm a lesbian and i only want to be with women w vageens, like that's the same sex attraction, otherwise it's pointless.
if u don't mind dick + vagina, then you're bi.
Yes I agree, lesbianromantic mby but not uhh sexually 
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Date: 14-03-2021 11:47
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ouch wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
ouch wrote:
Yeah im confused I think but if I was a lesbian rite, I wouldn't wanna b w someone thta either looks like a man (like born a man) or has a dick or smth like that idk. Same as I don't wanna b w men now that look like they were born women or they have le vagina 
yep 
i'm a lesbian and i only want to be with women w vageens, like that's the same sex attraction, otherwise it's pointless.
if u don't mind dick + vagina, then you're bi.
Yes I agree, lesbianromantic mby but not uhh sexually 
ah the split attraction model
tumblr bs lmao
Date: 14-03-2021 11:48
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ouch wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
ouch wrote:
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yep 
i'm a lesbian and i only want to be with women w vageens, like that's the same sex attraction, otherwise it's pointless.
if u don't mind dick + vagina, then you're bi.
Yes I agree, lesbianromantic mby but not uhh sexually 
ah the split attraction model
tumblr bs lmao
No I agree w it cus I have been like biromantic but straight sexually before I think, n now im straight but ace (ig that goes under ??) n I know a lot of ppl that could for example like a man but never sleep w one cus gross, so idk
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Date: 14-03-2021 11:50
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Kit wrote:
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If he said he was non binary but still looked like the same cis dude he has always been, could he call himself a lesbian if he likes women ?? Like nothing has any meaning any more n I just 🙂
this feels a lil bit like the "if we let trans women into womens bathrooms cis men will dress up as women to assault them" argument. while yea theoretically that could happen it seems ? unlikely ? and they could still do that even if we did start policing people's genitals & deciding nonbinary lesbians weren't "allowed" or "real" and all that idk

personally the harm i think i could do by questioning / excluding / invalidating nonbinary lesbians of any sex is worse than the harm of a cis man calling himself a lesbian ? & cis men already do that like... idk if that still happens since i dont talk to a lot of cis straight men these days but when i was first coming out i got so many men around me joking that "lol i'm a lesbian too then because i like women too!"
Yes I just rlly don't get the point of calling urself a lesbian, at least if ur nor female passing at all 
yea i can see how that's ur perspectve from the outside looking in (not a bad thing!) but i guess it's important to remember that someones gender, their identity and sexuality and all of those internal feelings & their sense of self doesn't always have to correlate to their expression or with whether or not they "pass" to you ? and what constitutes "passing" for you may look different to what "passing" is for other people ? you might be able to guess or assume, but you can not definitively know someone's gender by looking at them, you can only know that by asking them & listening

i guess an example i'd use is like, a binary trans woman who knows she's trans, is attracted to women and identifies as a lesbian, but hasn't yet started her social or medical transition. she "looks like" a cis man and is not "female passing" but she's a woman and a lesbian still right ? like there is no automatic connection between someone's personal, felt and lived gender/sexual identity, and whether or not you personally can immediately identify them as that just by looking at them for 0.2 seconds i guess
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Kit wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
ouch wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
besides lesbianism is about same-sex attraction as it's a sexual orientation and not a gender identity or even close to that sort of thing. so disregarded the "sex" of the orientation lesbian is to disregard the sexual attraction.
Yeah im confused I think but if I was a lesbian rite, I wouldn't wanna b w someone thta either looks like a man (like born a man) or has a dick or smth like that idk. Same as I don't wanna b w men now that look like they were born women or they have le vagina 
yep 
i'm a lesbian and i only want to be with women w vageens, like that's the same sex attraction, otherwise it's pointless.
if u don't mind dick + vagina, then you're bi.
some lesbians have penises, some lesbians sleep with lesbians who have penises like it's allowed ? you don't have to ofc but to say any lesbian who sleeps with women who have penises are "actually bi" is kinda weird 
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Date: 14-03-2021 11:51
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ouch wrote:
Kit wrote:
ouch wrote:
Kit wrote:
this feels a lil bit like the "if we let trans women into womens bathrooms cis men will dress up as women to assault them" argument. while yea theoretically that could happen it seems ? unlikely ? and they could still do that even if we did start policing people's genitals & deciding nonbinary lesbians weren't "allowed" or "real" and all that idk

personally the harm i think i could do by questioning / excluding / invalidating nonbinary lesbians of any sex is worse than the harm of a cis man calling himself a lesbian ? & cis men already do that like... idk if that still happens since i dont talk to a lot of cis straight men these days but when i was first coming out i got so many men around me joking that "lol i'm a lesbian too then because i like women too!"
Yes I just rlly don't get the point of calling urself a lesbian, at least if ur nor female passing at all 
yea i can see how that's ur perspectve from the outside looking in (not a bad thing!) but i guess it's important to remember that someones gender, their identity and sexuality and all of those internal feelings & their sense of self doesn't always have to correlate to their expression or with whether or not they "pass" to you ? and what constitutes "passing" for you may look different to what "passing" is for other people ? you might be able to guess or assume, but you can not definitively know someone's gender by looking at them, you can only know that by asking them & listening

i guess an example i'd use is like, a binary trans woman who knows she's trans, is attracted to women and identifies as a lesbian, but hasn't yet started her social or medical transition. she "looks like" a cis man and is not "female passing" but she's a woman and a lesbian still right ? like there is no automatic connection between someone's personal, felt and lived gender/sexual identity, and whether or not you personally can immediately identify them as that just by looking at them for 0.2 seconds i guess
In the example, why would any lesbian even be with them, cus I assume the point of lesbianism is woman+woman, not woman+ not transitioned man. Like thats just a man on the outside n idk seems counterintuitive to like a man looking person if u r a lesbian 
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Date: 14-03-2021 11:53
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Kit wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
ouch wrote:
Yeah im confused I think but if I was a lesbian rite, I wouldn't wanna b w someone thta either looks like a man (like born a man) or has a dick or smth like that idk. Same as I don't wanna b w men now that look like they were born women or they have le vagina 
yep 
i'm a lesbian and i only want to be with women w vageens, like that's the same sex attraction, otherwise it's pointless.
if u don't mind dick + vagina, then you're bi.
some lesbians have penises, some lesbians sleep with lesbians who have penises like it's allowed ? you don't have to ofc but to say any lesbian who sleeps with women who have penises are "actually bi" is kinda weird 
how is it weird?
like i said gender and sex is different
and being a lesbian is about solely same sex attraction, so if u sleep with a man or someone w a male body, you aren't really a lesbian and shouldn't call yourself that.

like i see so many young ppl call themselves lesbians, but either have zero same sex attraction nor excludes men from their dating pool. 
you can't be same sex attracted to a gender identity.
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ouch wrote:
Kit wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
ouch wrote:
Yeah im confused I think but if I was a lesbian rite, I wouldn't wanna b w someone thta either looks like a man (like born a man) or has a dick or smth like that idk. Same as I don't wanna b w men now that look like they were born women or they have le vagina 
yep 
i'm a lesbian and i only want to be with women w vageens, like that's the same sex attraction, otherwise it's pointless.
if u don't mind dick + vagina, then you're bi.
some lesbians have penises, some lesbians sleep with lesbians who have penises like it's allowed ? you don't have to ofc but to say any lesbian who sleeps with women who have penises are "actually bi" is kinda weird 
Yes but I mean it kinda makes sense tho, like im straight n I wouldn't wanna touch a vagina n I think it also would b weird if a straight person was w someone w a vagina tbh idk, like ur not fully straight then /lesbian in this scenario, like u can not tell me that lol
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autism wrote:
why do you care so much about trans people's sexual identities
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Date: 14-03-2021 11:57
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uhyre wrote:
i think we went wrong the second we tried to put harsh definitions on anything regarding identity
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ouch wrote:
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why do you care so much about trans people's sexual identities
I m sped up I need to tlk abt smth n this is the only interesting thing rn 
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Date: 14-03-2021 11:59
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That's why I hate labels
they make shit confusing and forces us to think of new labels
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