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that DOESNT mean i agree w france and belgium banning it bc that is also telling women how to dress and it's NEVER on the individual but yeah im sorry it's not empowering or "a choice" to me

Oh yeah I don't remember who it was, but its been proposed here to ban hijabs (niqabs are already banned I think for all type of education) in kindergarten and children school (1-7th grade). And I think when girls are that young, I can stand behind banning it tbh. Not for older girls 8th grade + (15+) but when its actual children? Aj,, freedom to practice religion or whatever, but..

muslim girls under 13 dont wear hijab right? only when they become "women" (as in, get their period)

I have no idea

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that DOESNT mean i agree w france and belgium banning it bc that is also telling women how to dress and it's NEVER on the individual but yeah im sorry it's not empowering or "a choice" to me

Oh yeah I don't remember who it was, but its been proposed here to ban hijabs (niqabs are already banned I think for all type of education) in kindergarten and children school (1-7th grade). And I think when girls are that young, I can stand behind banning it tbh. Not for older girls 8th grade + (15+) but when its actual children? Aj,, freedom to practice religion or whatever, but..

but yeah like... nothing about religion is a choice (unless ur like a born again christian or sumn and even then i have my doubts). it's literally brainwashing from birth i- it's jus ufnfnfmk

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that DOESNT mean i agree w france and belgium banning it bc that is also telling women how to dress and it's NEVER on the individual but yeah im sorry it's not empowering or "a choice" to me

Oh yeah I don't remember who it was, but its been proposed here to ban hijabs (niqabs are already banned I think for all type of education) in kindergarten and children school (1-7th grade). And I think when girls are that young, I can stand behind banning it tbh. Not for older girls 8th grade + (15+) but when its actual children? Aj,, freedom to practice religion or whatever, but..

I find it very strange when children wear hijab, not gonna lie. I see it as a very adult decision, maybe because I associate head covering with tichel.

i mean what does rhat say to a child's mind to tell them u need to cover up for God so He will respect u??? that's so damaging i honestly hate religion im sorry

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that DOESNT mean i agree w france and belgium banning it bc that is also telling women how to dress and it's NEVER on the individual but yeah im sorry it's not empowering or "a choice" to me

Oh yeah I don't remember who it was, but its been proposed here to ban hijabs (niqabs are already banned I think for all type of education) in kindergarten and children school (1-7th grade). And I think when girls are that young, I can stand behind banning it tbh. Not for older girls 8th grade + (15+) but when its actual children? Aj,, freedom to practice religion or whatever, but..

I find it very strange when children wear hijab, not gonna lie. I see it as a very adult decision, maybe because I associate head covering with tichel.

Idk if im correct, but I see putting a hijab on a CHILD, is just sexualizing a child. Idk if im even right abt the hijab being for covering (for what reasons? Sexual? Other stuff? Idk) but it seems very iffy

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that DOESNT mean i agree w france and belgium banning it bc that is also telling women how to dress and it's NEVER on the individual but yeah im sorry it's not empowering or "a choice" to me

Oh yeah I don't remember who it was, but its been proposed here to ban hijabs (niqabs are already banned I think for all type of education) in kindergarten and children school (1-7th grade). And I think when girls are that young, I can stand behind banning it tbh. Not for older girls 8th grade + (15+) but when its actual children? Aj,, freedom to practice religion or whatever, but..

Like banning it feels wrong too. Like I wanna beleive in religious freedom but I also do think it comes from a patriarchal place and is historically rooted in oppression.

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Helping them get jobs (or making it a requirement to get a job to live here), language courses, mixing up the locations of where u put ppl, proper training in norwegian (american here tho) culture and values, is the most important stuff imo. Good immigration is vital, cus u often see, at least here, more refugees are misogynistic, homophobic, gang violence (amongst youth in places which r dominated by refugees), live on welfare, etc etc compared to ppl who are born here.

I don't have any issue taking in immigrants, but if ur not gonna integrate them properly, I would rather just take in none

its so messed up bc countries want the gold stars for taking in immigrants but neglect to integrate them properly. then these immigrants grow up to be "bad examples" so inhabitants are like fuck no no more immigrants aaaaa

Yes we have this saying, swedish conditions (? Svenske tilstander) which usually refers to how in sweden its gone off the rails too much w foreigners criminality etc (idk im struggling to write this in english but). And how we in norway do not want that. But I think ppl r also just scared to seem racist or islamophobic if u start questioning the values of these ppl. Like with the couses in not being a misogynist n stuff. I would figure many ppl, esp on the internet, would think its islamophobic cus it kinda makes it seem like "everyone from an islamic country is a woman hater bad bad bad", but I think its just good to take precautions, even tho the majority of the men might not be like that, it still seems statistically worse than norwegian born people.

if there's no oppression that made it so the statistics look like that, yeah it's SUPER important to make precations, as religious people tend to bring more kids to the world, and statistically, their group would grow bigger, and even if a lot of the kids would've been born in Norway, still they would've grow up with values from their parents and in some cases, it cannot be helped, my family is a GREAT example,
my biological is an extremist, thinking women are there to be a children factory and a housewife, and I got to grow up in 2 countries, the second one is really more accepting of women and the idea of women having a say and power, and the moment I got an actual good education and realized that I can be and do anything I want... I was lucky and privileged enough to get out of that shit, and kids that come out of those households deserve to get the chance to be integrated properly into society, it won't ALWAYS work and sadly working with kids I've realized we can't help them all, but we can help a lot of them, and doing those steps are not rasict or bad.

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that DOESNT mean i agree w france and belgium banning it bc that is also telling women how to dress and it's NEVER on the individual but yeah im sorry it's not empowering or "a choice" to me

Oh yeah I don't remember who it was, but its been proposed here to ban hijabs (niqabs are already banned I think for all type of education) in kindergarten and children school (1-7th grade). And I think when girls are that young, I can stand behind banning it tbh. Not for older girls 8th grade + (15+) but when its actual children? Aj,, freedom to practice religion or whatever, but..

but yeah like... nothing about religion is a choice (unless ur like a born again christian or sumn and even then i have my doubts). it's literally brainwashing from birth i- it's jus ufnfnfmk

I grew up in a Unitarian church which is all about choice. We learned about every religion and were taught we get to choose what to beleive in.

Most of the kids I was in Sunday school with ended up atheists lmao

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that DOESNT mean i agree w france and belgium banning it bc that is also telling women how to dress and it's NEVER on the individual but yeah im sorry it's not empowering or "a choice" to me

Oh yeah I don't remember who it was, but its been proposed here to ban hijabs (niqabs are already banned I think for all type of education) in kindergarten and children school (1-7th grade). And I think when girls are that young, I can stand behind banning it tbh. Not for older girls 8th grade + (15+) but when its actual children? Aj,, freedom to practice religion or whatever, but..

Like banning it feels wrong too. Like I wanna beleive in religious freedom but I also do think it comes from a patriarchal place and is historically rooted in oppression.

Feels wrong, but I would lean towards banning it when ur not old enough to think, or at least not old enough to start to try to seperate and find ur own identity compared to your family and general islam country.

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but yeah my absolute worst take that will have me lynched by the feminist mob is that i think hijabs are indeed sexist and i could never get behind the idea that you 1. have to cover up for ur faith and 2. only women have to cover up like that's inherently sexist to me no matter how to sugar coat it for me im sorry

I stand behind it as well and if men won't do that women shouldn't as well and nothing can change my mind.
women that actually BELIEVE that they need to do it for durr hurr religion, are just brainwashed enough and were fed that from childhood, ofc they won't change their opinion about that, that's all they know.

I believe that once those women get the freedom to actually... LIVE however they'd like? with no actual parents or partner that would make it so they feel someone above em that makes it that they HAVE to do that... yeah

yeah im always like... i was raised christian and there's NO WAY it's a choice for them. like if i told my mom rn im not a christian anymore she'd explode. if u really cant tell ur family u dont wanna be muslim anymore... or ull get kicked out of the house... is it really a choice? like cmon

I grew up orthodox and holy hell, it is NO WAY
a choice.
I was in the SAME situation, I was supposed to marry this one guy (later on my ex because parents divorced but still I like HAD to marry him and no one else) and now that I'm FAR away from them, I told my mother I'm not religious, and I got shamed for that lmao, haldf the family hates me for that but idc

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Oh yeah I don't remember who it was, but its been proposed here to ban hijabs (niqabs are already banned I think for all type of education) in kindergarten and children school (1-7th grade). And I think when girls are that young, I can stand behind banning it tbh. Not for older girls 8th grade + (15+) but when its actual children? Aj,, freedom to practice religion or whatever, but..

but yeah like... nothing about religion is a choice (unless ur like a born again christian or sumn and even then i have my doubts). it's literally brainwashing from birth i- it's jus ufnfnfmk

I grew up in a Unitarian church which is all about choice. We learned about every religion and were taught we get to choose what to beleive in.

Most of the kids I was in Sunday school with ended up atheists lmao

wow never heard of that , interesting. i just had ur run of the mill protestant childhood. premarital sex bad and if ur not christian ur going to hell byebye!

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i don't have a strong opinion on this matter
besides prostitution sounding extremely unhealthy as a concept, on both physical and mental levels; shouldn't be the "ideal career" for anyone

then again i'm very against sleeping around with multiple ppl in general and think ppl should just stick to one partner, but that's just me personally

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but yeah my absolute worst take that will have me lynched by the feminist mob is that i think hijabs are indeed sexist and i could never get behind the idea that you 1. have to cover up for ur faith and 2. only women have to cover up like that's inherently sexist to me no matter how to sugar coat it for me im sorry

I'm really conflicted about hijab. Like, niqab and burka? Fuck that shit, absolute worst. But things like hijab and tichel, I don't know what to think. It's often times more cultural than religious, which means it's a choice a woman makes, but then that goes into the whole is there such thing as choice when it comes to something oppressively and then we have to actually ask if it is oppressively so it really just goes in circles.

Yea I think I’m with you here like once you’re covering someone’s face it seems more inherently oppressive than the hijab which I think in turn makes me like more accepting of the hijab.

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I stand behind it as well and if men won't do that women shouldn't as well and nothing can change my mind.
women that actually BELIEVE that they need to do it for durr hurr religion, are just brainwashed enough and were fed that from childhood, ofc they won't change their opinion about that, that's all they know.

I believe that once those women get the freedom to actually... LIVE however they'd like? with no actual parents or partner that would make it so they feel someone above em that makes it that they HAVE to do that... yeah

yeah im always like... i was raised christian and there's NO WAY it's a choice for them. like if i told my mom rn im not a christian anymore she'd explode. if u really cant tell ur family u dont wanna be muslim anymore... or ull get kicked out of the house... is it really a choice? like cmon

I grew up orthodox and holy hell, it is NO WAY
a choice.
I was in the SAME situation, I was supposed to marry this one guy (later on my ex because parents divorced but still I like HAD to marry him and no one else) and now that I'm FAR away from them, I told my mother I'm not religious, and I got shamed for that lmao, haldf the family hates me for that but idc

religion IS A CULT and the amount of shame u get when u try to leave the church.... it's 100% a cult

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but yeah like... nothing about religion is a choice (unless ur like a born again christian or sumn and even then i have my doubts). it's literally brainwashing from birth i- it's jus ufnfnfmk

I grew up in a Unitarian church which is all about choice. We learned about every religion and were taught we get to choose what to beleive in.

Most of the kids I was in Sunday school with ended up atheists lmao

wow never heard of that , interesting. i just had ur run of the mill protestant childhood. premarital sex bad and if ur not christian ur going to hell byebye!

Our pastor was a lesbian

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I grew up in a Unitarian church which is all about choice. We learned about every religion and were taught we get to choose what to beleive in.

Most of the kids I was in Sunday school with ended up atheists lmao

wow never heard of that , interesting. i just had ur run of the mill protestant childhood. premarital sex bad and if ur not christian ur going to hell byebye!

Our pastor was a lesbian

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