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Heist
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heist wrote:
disintegration wrote:
heist wrote:
disintegration wrote:
why tho? what is trans but the opposite of cis? 
sure that's what the umbrella sort of means now but when i think of it i think the goals of trans(gender and sexual) people's goals/political needs are often different from individuals who are "nonbinary" -- which like , doesn't really have a definition

like there's such a wide variety of nonbinary experience that's sort of veered the course of trans activism to a lot of more representative / symbolic discourse (pronouns, specifically) because there are nonbinary people who don't necessarily want to "transition" medically or socially or whatever, which is fine but just means like the lived experience is so different, so wedging is under the same umbrella does nothing for either group

like as much as i think labels are stupid on a personal level i think they serve a function in guiding/defining a movement politically, and i think the primary focus for trans people should be like, healthcare and BASIC human rights like not being murdered, rather than pronouns or what have you

idk if this makes any sense at all
nonbinary people need those resources too and not every binary trans person has the same experience either, yeah, neo pronoun discussions are stupid for the most part, but it seems weird to leave out nonbinary people of trans discussions, because things like health care, legal stuff,... concerns us too. 
i'm not saying leave nonbinary people out of the discussion i'm saying they're separate discussions, you can be trans but not nonbinary, you can be nonbinary and not trans or whatever but like hmmm

i think the conflation of the two groups gives people who essentially have no difference to their cis counterparts other than using nonstandard pronouns give to claim identity points and it sort of cheapens the discussion

Maybe my issue isn't so much actually the two groups being under the same umbrella I just think the needs of nonbinary/trans individuals who sort of actually live outside of the cis experience in meaningful, concrete ways should be prioritized 

(Am i truscum??? What does that even mean??)
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:47
MissLondon
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MissLondon wrote:
Claire wrote:
MissLondon wrote:
There should be a treatment for white women
that greatly darkens the skin
and given simultaneously with lip/butt injections 
they should be given the opportunity to
”appreciate” the full experience of being black.
you know
this already
exists tho
I’m aware, not surprised by the response tho
since vp is basically white lol 
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:48
Lean
Streetmusician



lean wrote:
mankind wrote:
lean wrote:
ok next one
literally everyone should know how to cook inb4 what about ppl with mobile impairments ok i get it
but if u have two working arms you should know how to make food
i can't stand a bitch without spices in their kitchen
i'm sure ppl without 2 working arms find a way to cook regardless

people with physical disabilites are capable of a lot more than you'd expect
thats y i put the inb4 bcuz i knew someone would say oh what about people with disabilities and i'm not about to argue with an able bodied person who thinks people with disabilities are incapable of doing anything
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:48
Lean
Streetmusician



lean wrote:
lean wrote:
mankind wrote:
lean wrote:
ok next one
literally everyone should know how to cook inb4 what about ppl with mobile impairments ok i get it
but if u have two working arms you should know how to make food
i can't stand a bitch without spices in their kitchen
i'm sure ppl without 2 working arms find a way to cook regardless

people with physical disabilites are capable of a lot more than you'd expect
thats y i put the inb4 bcuz i knew someone would say oh what about people with disabilities and i'm not about to argue with an able bodied person who thinks people with disabilities are incapable of doing anything
& they think having this opinion and always mentioning people w disabilities makes them woke
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:48
Lean
Streetmusician



lean wrote:

another one
cancel culture and validity culture are ruining our youth and turning them soft
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:49
Mankind
Streetmusician



mankind wrote:
what even is cancel culture i'm getting old
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:49
Mankind
Streetmusician



mankind wrote:
i'd post an opinion about cultural appropriation but i think it's not v controversial so...
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:50
Private
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Limbs wrote:
smoking cigarettes is pathetic imo
a lot of things are tho, including things i do, smoking is just one that personally annoys me
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:50
Lean
Streetmusician



lean wrote:
mankind wrote:
what even is cancel culture i'm getting old
its basically like when u say something that soft spaces / hyper critical spaces??? hyper woke spaces deem offensive then u get blasted all over the internet

like if i said neopronouns are harmful to the lgbt community and someone was like "no, neopronouns are so valid!!!" and they made a twitter thread publicly blasting me.
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:51
Mankind
Streetmusician



mankind wrote:
lean wrote:
mankind wrote:
what even is cancel culture i'm getting old
its basically like when u say something that soft spaces / hyper critical spaces??? hyper woke spaces deem offensive then u get blasted all over the internet

like if i said neopronouns are harmful to the lgbt community and someone was like "no, neopronouns are so valid!!!" and they made a twitter thread publicly blasting me.
i had to google so many of the words u just used, but i don't have twitter so maybe that's why i'm out of the loop
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:52
MissLondon
World Famous



MissLondon wrote:
mankind wrote:
what even is cancel culture i'm getting old
I don’t understand it
because the people that are “canceled”
return to the fold after a few fake apologies 
so what’s the point?
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:53
Lean
Streetmusician



lean wrote:
mankind wrote:
lean wrote:
mankind wrote:
what even is cancel culture i'm getting old
its basically like when u say something that soft spaces / hyper critical spaces??? hyper woke spaces deem offensive then u get blasted all over the internet

like if i said neopronouns are harmful to the lgbt community and someone was like "no, neopronouns are so valid!!!" and they made a twitter thread publicly blasting me.
i had to google so many of the words u just used, but i don't have twitter so maybe that's why i'm out of the loop
it's like mainly a thing with the 16-20 crowd.
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:53
Mankind
Streetmusician



mankind wrote:
i think neopronouns are dumb but at the same time i'll call people whatever they want because idrc. but i just don't get it
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:53
Private
World Famous



remains wrote:
autistic people are great and cool and i love all of them
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Date: 07-03-2021 23:54
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wrote:
heist wrote:
disintegration wrote:
heist wrote:
sure that's what the umbrella sort of means now but when i think of it i think the goals of trans(gender and sexual) people's goals/political needs are often different from individuals who are "nonbinary" -- which like , doesn't really have a definition

like there's such a wide variety of nonbinary experience that's sort of veered the course of trans activism to a lot of more representative / symbolic discourse (pronouns, specifically) because there are nonbinary people who don't necessarily want to "transition" medically or socially or whatever, which is fine but just means like the lived experience is so different, so wedging is under the same umbrella does nothing for either group

like as much as i think labels are stupid on a personal level i think they serve a function in guiding/defining a movement politically, and i think the primary focus for trans people should be like, healthcare and BASIC human rights like not being murdered, rather than pronouns or what have you

idk if this makes any sense at all
nonbinary people need those resources too and not every binary trans person has the same experience either, yeah, neo pronoun discussions are stupid for the most part, but it seems weird to leave out nonbinary people of trans discussions, because things like health care, legal stuff,... concerns us too. 
i'm not saying leave nonbinary people out of the discussion i'm saying they're separate discussions, you can be trans but not nonbinary, you can be nonbinary and not trans or whatever but like hmmm

i think the conflation of the two groups gives people who essentially have no difference to their cis counterparts other than using nonstandard pronouns give to claim identity points and it sort of cheapens the discussion

Maybe my issue isn't so much actually the two groups being under the same umbrella I just think the needs of nonbinary/trans individuals who sort of actually live outside of the cis experience in meaningful, concrete ways should be prioritized 

(Am i truscum??? What does that even mean??)
But why should they be a separate discussion if they need the same things/if the needs overlap? 

What are meaningful, concrete ways? What does prioritizing mean in this context? Transphobes don't care if you are binary trans or nonbinary, who do you cater to with this separation, do you see concrete things that will change for the better if you split binary and non binary trans people in 2 smaller groups 
? What effect would it have on eg legislation that would protect trans people? 
Date: 07-03-2021 23:54
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