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kinda unpopular opinion......?
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Maxwell wrote:
ouch wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Also I missed the post initally but lol omg your argument 4 living barbie having an illness is that you find it extreme 

Wow 
I think theres a fine distinction between something like that or that alien dude, and somebody like this dude (forgot his name lol)
Jessica Alvesss s ss
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Date: 30-09-2020 23:26
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ouch wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
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I agree w this tho ion agree with body positivity then, not everybody beautiful n some ppl do b ugly but normalize being ugly so "pretty priviledge" (yes I beleive its real) gets less yes
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Date: 30-09-2020 23:28
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duckgirl wrote:
Misjel wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
u can not be body positive if u hav plastic surgeries
i dont care what anyone else says so pls dont try 2 argue w me

imma explain a little bit





how can you talk about body positivity, about loving yourself, with all your flaws, if then you're going to change your whole body because you consider it flawed.
n no, mental illnesses should not be an excuse
and im not talking about people who have actual deformities, bc deformities really do suck and id never judge someone getting surgery bc of that
How did  this end up being 17 pages
bc ppl r stupid and I'm even more stupid for giving a duck abt their opinions
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Date: 01-10-2020 07:34
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Pitbull wrote:
ouch wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Also I missed the post initally but lol omg your argument 4 living barbie having an illness is that you find it extreme 

Wow 
I think theres a fine distinction between something like that or that alien dude, and somebody like this dude (forgot his name lol)
he looks scary af
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Date: 01-10-2020 08:27
Alam
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Alam wrote:
I wonder what op thinks about trans people getting surgeries.
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Date: 01-10-2020 08:52
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GvcciGoddess wrote:
Im a big lover and admirer of plastic surgery but i actually agree with u to a certain degree. It is kinda hypocritical to preach about loving ur “flaws” and accepting and loving ur natural body etc while also being pro plastic surgery. 

my mindset is more like ur body is ur canvas and u can do whatever u want with that, u can create ur own body if ur not happy with how nature made it cuz its urs and only urs and its okay to want to make some changes to urself. Nobody should feel forced to accept and love their body as it is just as much as nobody should feel forced to change their body to fit other ppls ideal. U do u. 
if that makes me “not body positive” then im okay with that
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Date: 01-10-2020 09:41
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beauyidul wrote:
Im body negative


If you have body, get out
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Date: 01-10-2020 09:58
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Goddessx wrote:
ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
ouch wrote:
What if I work out n I get  a skinnier waist n a bigger butt, can't I b body positive anymore. If im doing something naturally, but still achieving the same outcome as plastic surgery would have ? 
i think that you wouldnt feel the same sense of achievement so it wouldnt be......................................................................... as positiv
If the point is chaning something abt urself it would b the same tho tbh, the argument doesn't change, And what if I feel just as satisfied or achievement or whateva by getting surgery (but its something that I COULD have done naturally, das bad suddenly? Same thing different means 
So your actually entirely wrong. The method doesn't provide the same results in nearly any type of surgery. So let's hit up weight by forgoing exercise you do not gain the muscle mass, muscle strength or muscle elasticity. You lose fat but gain loose skin from the expediated weight loss on top of all that your lungs do not improve at all and if you were over weight to begin with than that's a heavy hit which can lead you right back to where you started in under 5 years. Anything that can be done unnaturally e.g plastic surgery has mostly negative effects. Anything that needs plastic surgery to fix a health issues is rare to actually be a positive one. E.g nose jobs almost never need surgery unless you are prone to sinus infections or have a slight mutation causing a abnormal nasal passageway. To believe in body positivity and have plastic surgery to correct something you do not like about yourself is by definition hypocrisy. the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. To believe in something but not practice in layman terms. Lastly not everyone is a hypocrite want some proof? Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, Sun Tzu, Aristotle, Beethoven, Confucius, Lao Tzu these are just few of the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of famous people who followed their believes and not being a hypocrite. We should all demonize hypocrisy as hypocrisy is just a kinder way of saying your a liar and lying is not right in any and all situations be the intent good or bad.   
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Date: 01-10-2020 10:52
Kit
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Kit wrote:
idk i think u can recognize n support body positivity ( wahtever that means lmfao ) without feeling good abt ur own body
like . would i consider getting a nose job ? yeah . does it mean i think anyone w a nose like mine is ugly and should change it ? no ... idk
but to the point of should ppl w plastic surgery b like. positioning themselves as the spokespeople for body positivty as a movement ? no lmao
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Date: 01-10-2020 11:00
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Kit wrote:
but anyway u can eat meat and still recognize that veganism is a better / more responsible option. the idea that any group of ppl would be somehow 'excluded' from a body positivity movement because of choices they've made abt their own bodies seems .... whack

would u apply the same logic to people who have tattoos ? piercings ? r they not also changing their body ? can they still b body positive ? is it not counterproductive to point to certain ppl w certain bodies and say "hey ur not allowed to speak about bodies" even if they have one like everyone else ?

anyway i think body positivity is kinda whack anyway and the idea that we have to be happy and in love w our bodies all the time is wild. the idea that that happiness comes from how we look instead of how we feel is wild ? the idea that the only way to be positive about a body is if u think it looks good is wild ?

hows about body neutrality where nobdy gives a fuck abt anybody's body but their own ...
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Date: 01-10-2020 11:03
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Koolaid wrote:
Kit wrote:
but anyway u can eat meat and still recognize that veganism is a better / more responsible option. the idea that any group of ppl would be somehow 'excluded' from a body positivity movement because of choices they've made abt their own bodies seems .... whack

would u apply the same logic to people who have tattoos ? piercings ? r they not also changing their body ? can they still b body positive ? is it not counterproductive to point to certain ppl w certain bodies and say "hey ur not allowed to speak about bodies" even if they have one like everyone else ?

anyway i think body positivity is kinda whack anyway and the idea that we have to be happy and in love w our bodies all the time is wild. the idea that that happiness comes from how we look instead of how we feel is wild ? the idea that the only way to be positive about a body is if u think it looks good is wild ?

hows about body neutrality where nobdy gives a fuck abt anybody's body but their own ...
tattoos are not the same thing as plastic surgery to me. you're literally changing the shape of your face. tattoos are more like decorations, makeup but permanent. i feel we have created a harmful environment by framing empowerment as something as 'you can make your own choices so get that plastic surgery!' while not acknowledging that our very insecurities are influenced by social factors. someone made a rlly good post about this but i can't find it anymore...
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Date: 01-10-2020 11:07
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Koolaid wrote:
i don't like the idea of body positivity in general. i can't find the post but someone worded it very well

basically this movement of self-empowerment we've witnessed in the recent years seems very much like giving in to our insecurities but framing it as body positivity anyways so we feel less bad/judged about it.

we are still catering to society's pressure and standards, but instead of just saying that (wanting to fit in is not a bad thing, and not everything we do has to serve a movement) we frame it as 'empowerment', 'being emancipated'. it's not. cosmetic plastic surgery, like makeup, is still a business that is fueled by insecurities. you are not empowering yourself, even if you _think_ you are making that choice. but that's okay! let's normalize that
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Date: 01-10-2020 11:12
Kit
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Kit wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Kit wrote:
but anyway u can eat meat and still recognize that veganism is a better / more responsible option. the idea that any group of ppl would be somehow 'excluded' from a body positivity movement because of choices they've made abt their own bodies seems .... whack

would u apply the same logic to people who have tattoos ? piercings ? r they not also changing their body ? can they still b body positive ? is it not counterproductive to point to certain ppl w certain bodies and say "hey ur not allowed to speak about bodies" even if they have one like everyone else ?

anyway i think body positivity is kinda whack anyway and the idea that we have to be happy and in love w our bodies all the time is wild. the idea that that happiness comes from how we look instead of how we feel is wild ? the idea that the only way to be positive about a body is if u think it looks good is wild ?

hows about body neutrality where nobdy gives a fuck abt anybody's body but their own ...
tattoos are not the same thing as plastic surgery to me. you're literally changing the shape of your face. tattoos are more like decorations, makeup but permanent. i feel we have created a harmful environment by framing empowerment as something as 'you can make your own choices so get that plastic surgery!' while not acknowledging that our very insecurities are influenced by social factors. someone made a rlly good post about this but i can't find it anymore...
yh i hear u and like. idk i agree very much that re: things like makeup and plastic surgery the discussion absolutely cannot end with "people can do whatever they want with their bodies" without seriously considering the impact of societal beauty standards n the way that influences especially young girls to seek plastic surgery. i don't think plastic surgery or makeup or whatever is "empowering" but i think a lot of ppl frame it that way bc they feel insecure for having those insecurities in the age of the "#notlikeothergirls girl" 

but anyway my point isnt that plastic surgery is empowering or anything like that & i dont encourage it. i just think the sort of condescending attitude towards ppl with plastic surgery, and the will to exclude them from the "body positivity movement" (again ... Lol) is closeminded and puritanical. like it rly feels like it comes from a place of wanting to feel better than "those people who do those things" and completely discounts their experiences. i think its v possible that people with plastic surgery might even be uniquely qualified to contribute to discussions about body positivity bc of their particular perspective
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Date: 01-10-2020 11:12
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Koolaid wrote:
Kit wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Kit wrote:
but anyway u can eat meat and still recognize that veganism is a better / more responsible option. the idea that any group of ppl would be somehow 'excluded' from a body positivity movement because of choices they've made abt their own bodies seems .... whack

would u apply the same logic to people who have tattoos ? piercings ? r they not also changing their body ? can they still b body positive ? is it not counterproductive to point to certain ppl w certain bodies and say "hey ur not allowed to speak about bodies" even if they have one like everyone else ?

anyway i think body positivity is kinda whack anyway and the idea that we have to be happy and in love w our bodies all the time is wild. the idea that that happiness comes from how we look instead of how we feel is wild ? the idea that the only way to be positive about a body is if u think it looks good is wild ?

hows about body neutrality where nobdy gives a fuck abt anybody's body but their own ...
tattoos are not the same thing as plastic surgery to me. you're literally changing the shape of your face. tattoos are more like decorations, makeup but permanent. i feel we have created a harmful environment by framing empowerment as something as 'you can make your own choices so get that plastic surgery!' while not acknowledging that our very insecurities are influenced by social factors. someone made a rlly good post about this but i can't find it anymore...

but anyway my point isnt that plastic surgery is empowering or anything like that & i dont encourage it. i just think the sort of condescending attitude towards ppl with plastic surgery, and the will to exclude them from the "body positivity movement" (again ... Lol) is closeminded and puritanical. like it rly feels like it comes from a place of wanting to feel better than "those people who do those things" and completely discounts their experiences. i think its v possible that people with plastic surgery might even be uniquely qualified to contribute to discussions about body positivity bc of their particular perspective
yeah i get u. but i think OP is specifically referring to those influencers who are like 'love yourself as you are!' and then get nosejobs and chin tucks etc. (cough madison beer cough)

also i think it's diabolical for celebrities to advertise plastic surgeries. it's good to be honest about it, but plastic surgery should never be advertised or openly encouraged. it creates a very toxic environment like south korea
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Date: 01-10-2020 11:15
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