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Do you think norse mythology can be reclaimed
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Nesta wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
i gotta say non-nordics ruined it
Do you want to elaborate?

americans and their obsession w race
Date: 19-11-2021 12:35
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Nesta wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
i gotta say non-nordics ruined it
Do you want to elaborate?

americans and their obsession w race
Thanks, for elaborating.
Date: 19-11-2021 12:39
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Date: 19-11-2021 12:41
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Idk for me it would b fine cus I don't associate it w nazis or whatever, I associate it more w norwegian black metal lmao, but do I think it would be a popular religion, no, cus its kind of too far out there I think
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Date: 19-11-2021 12:56
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it's mostly romanticism abt a time where a country was "greater" than now, used in war propaganda and to boost national morale in times of war and national troubles.
norse mythology is just as riddled w misogyny as every other religion/mythology.  i do still find it very funny that americans are so "into it", when in reality most have an idea of what vikings used to be and then get all their mythology knowledge from marvel movies/comics.
Date: 19-11-2021 13:02
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Idk for me it would b fine cus I don't associate it w nazis or whatever, I associate it more w norwegian black metal lmao, but do I think it would be a popular religion, no, cus its kind of too far out there I think
I'm not really asking if it would be popular, so that's fair enough. 
Date: 19-11-2021 13:34
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Miguel wrote:
you don't have to reclaim anything really, it's just mythology even if nazis use it. like, it's not your fault that they decided to take it for their own ideology, so just use it or learn about rhe culture yk
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Date: 19-11-2021 13:53
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BunnyButts wrote:
www.huckmag.com/perspectives/activism-2/the-queer-activists-reclaiming-norse-myth-from-the-far-ri...
I found this 
You guys should be reading The Goddess of Nothing At All. It is really diving into some of the queer aspects of the mythology - on good and bad. Like it existed, yes, but it's also an era of extreme homophobia. Loki is one of the main characters, so expect it all. Also, the comic in that article is on point.  
Date: 19-11-2021 14:10
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you don't have to reclaim anything really, it's just mythology even if nazis use it. like, it's not your fault that they decided to take it for their own ideology, so just use it or learn about rhe culture yk
That's a good point. I'm just wary because it does have such annotations, you know.
Date: 19-11-2021 14:11
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I had no clue nazi's messed with Norse mythology but then again my knowledge of it is limited. 
But, everything in life is what you make it. Can't say for sure it can be reclaimed but if you believe in it then practice it as long as it doesn't evolve hurting others. The only way I see this getting reclaimed is educating/informing people around about it but not shoveling it down there throats of course.
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Date: 19-11-2021 14:21
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im gona elaborate some more:

i dont really like how pop sciency history makes it seem like the christenization was some brutal and barbaric process where olav den hellige walked around and killed anyone who disagreed in the span of one year. it was a slow progress, and a lot of kings and jarls converted without having to be threatened. they just saw god, or whatever.
besides the point, but i had to say it! 

the thing about symbols and language, which symbols fall under, is that the language users have the power of definition. if we want to disassociate (a) with (b), we just... have to. we have to use language the way we want it to be seen. furthermore, i dont think we should abstain from practicing our own culture to please americans who may view (a) in a different light than we do. in fact, using the symbols correctly and innocently, is the very way we disassociate them wit (neo)nazism.

all that said, i dont deny that right wing groups/white supremacists even in the nordics use the symbols, but at least there are people here who can say "what on earth are you doing to gunnalug ormstunge" because they have the knowledge to recognize the appropriation - and more often than not, that knowledge is dispersed through the entire population
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Date: 19-11-2021 15:07
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Is there academic effort and programs to teach the 'true' history and culture that includes source criticism (is that the word in English idk). History as a modern academic discipline is very much interested in being critical about sources and putting them into perspective, considering the the time of creation, etc. 

I think it would be a promising alliance to combine historical research and the people trying to connect with their heritage. 

Those are just my thoughts as an outsider so I may be wrong
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Date: 19-11-2021 15:17
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absintjente wrote:
Sylvan wrote:

Is there academic effort and programs to teach the 'true' history and culture that includes source criticism (is that the word in English idk). History as a modern academic discipline is very much interested in being critical about sources and putting them into perspective, considering the the time of creation, etc. 

I think it would be a promising alliance to combine historical research and the people trying to connect with their heritage. 

Those are just my thoughts as an outsider so I may be wrong
there is, at least where (and when) i studied history. but then again, the problem isnt really nordic ppl just being, its americans using it maliciously - n then ppl who do that arent really that interested in source criticism, much less academics and studying history.
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Date: 19-11-2021 15:21
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Miguel wrote:
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you don't have to reclaim anything really, it's just mythology even if nazis use it. like, it's not your fault that they decided to take it for their own ideology, so just use it or learn about rhe culture yk
That's a good point. I'm just wary because it does have such annotations, you know.
surely, it sucks bc people tend to see certain symbols as owned by hateful groups. lets say the swastika, that its actually an old symbol that has been historically part of many ancient religions but taken in the 20s by nazis- its usage by them shouldnt really change the fact that it was born as a symbol that literally means "well-being". its hard, though, to use it because we all agree that whenever we see an swastika we think of nazis, and thats sad cause it basically erases the whole history behind it. i think that as long as people actually learn about the origins of symbols, i think everyone should be ok with using symbols that have been used by these groups. 
in conclusion -n bc i may have lots of grammatical mistakes-, learn about the history behind symbols and use them correctly
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Date: 19-11-2021 17:25
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wdym by reclaim? the nordic mythos do still live, sorta, tho obv not to the same extremity as before... as we now have to obey the laws. no more animal sacrifices or public nudity rip
if we mean "reclaim" in literal sense, then are we gonna tell christians that pretty much all of their holidays were adapted from pagans? lmao

i'm very invested in finnish mythology in particular due to that being my homeland. i expect you can see "real" finland up north as there are more people there who engage in modern paganism. i would argue south coast is very christianized, but that is just my experience. we still use a lot of sayings that root from our pagan times, not that people stop to think about it often

nordic mythos def overlap with one another, who adapted things from who and such, i assume it's something of a greece-rome situation but i don't really mind. we can coexist haha. a lot of our mythos were certainly washed up and destroyed by the crusades so not a lot remains. then again, we did also push the sami folk from our way so who's the real villain here huh 😅  they too are suffering from death to their old culture, and some of them are bitter. and i don't blame them
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