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Anachronism
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Anachronism wrote:
mankind wrote:
lamb wrote:
mankind wrote:
if u have low IQ because of ur autism, how would you call that then in english?
if someone has low iq u say they have low iq
so saying low functioning is offensive but saying low iq is not? even though when u have a low iq u are simply low functioning? jesus ppl are too sensitive these days
Hell yeah ppl are sensitive 

My evil plot to feminize the world is working 

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Date: 08-03-2021 00:25
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heist wrote:
disintegration wrote:
heist wrote:
i'm not saying leave nonbinary people out of the discussion i'm saying they're separate discussions, you can be trans but not nonbinary, you can be nonbinary and not trans or whatever but like hmmm

i think the conflation of the two groups gives people who essentially have no difference to their cis counterparts other than using nonstandard pronouns give to claim identity points and it sort of cheapens the discussion

Maybe my issue isn't so much actually the two groups being under the same umbrella I just think the needs of nonbinary/trans individuals who sort of actually live outside of the cis experience in meaningful, concrete ways should be prioritized 

(Am i truscum??? What does that even mean??)
But why should they be a separate discussion if they need the same things/if the needs overlap? 

What are meaningful, concrete ways? What does prioritizing mean in this context? Transphobes don't care if you are binary trans or nonbinary, who do you cater to with this separation, do you see concrete things that will change for the better if you split binary and non binary trans people in 2 smaller groups 
? What effect would it have on eg legislation that would protect trans people? 
i don't really have a well formed argument on this because like, these are sort of questions i ask myself and often don't know the answers to

i think yes there's overlap but maybe the distinction I'm making is probably poisoned by my experience at a liberal arts college where a lot of people literally just like, put they/them in their instagram bio and would be like "ok we are the same you and i" and would come to trans/nb spaces and like literally talk over us or derail discussions

like when i'm saying "meaningful separation" i mean like, coming out to your parents/family, changing how you present yourself, maybe transitioning medically

talking it out i don't think the distinction i'm making is between trans and nonbinary but between lived experiences and ugh i hate using this term "trenders", who often co opt the nonbinary label i guess, and at what point does the umbrella lose its meaning when it encompasses such wide variety of experience?

but also maybe i'm just blaire white-ing / kalvin garrah-ing 
I understand the frustration and there are people who do it to be special or whatever, but honestly this harsh separation won't do any good in my opinion because policing identities as if they were disorders is a step in the wrong direction. There was legislation that literally forced trans people to be sterilized before they were allowed to change the gender markers on their ids in my country not so long ago. 

It's a complicated topic but nonbinary people are not binary trans people's enemies, many of us have dysphoria, are not taken seriously, denied health care,... 
A german friend told me that they had to tell their therapist that they are a trans guy in order to get top op and my therapist wasn't taking me serious either. 

Honestly, saying you have to transition, have bad dysphoria, etc to be trans won't do any good, it just forces people to make decisions they maybe don't even want to make
Date: 08-03-2021 00:26
Mankind
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mankind wrote:
lamb wrote:
mankind wrote:
lamb wrote:
if someone has low iq u say they have low iq
so saying low functioning is offensive but saying low iq is not? even though when u have a low iq u are simply low functioning? jesus ppl are too sensitive these days
no but if u find urself in a situation where u actually need to talk abt someones iq of all things theres literally no reason to beat around the bush
saying low/high functioning isnt offensive, its just wrong
like i said though it was a translation error jesus do u americans have no compassion for ppl trying to speak english
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:26
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uhyre wrote:
mankind wrote:
lamb wrote:
mankind wrote:
so saying low functioning is offensive but saying low iq is not? even though when u have a low iq u are simply low functioning? jesus ppl are too sensitive these days
no but if u find urself in a situation where u actually need to talk abt someones iq of all things theres literally no reason to beat around the bush
saying low/high functioning isnt offensive, its just wrong
like i said though it was a translation error jesus do u americans have no compassion for ppl trying to speak english
there r 5 americans on this website and believe me ive never set foot on the continent and also not relevant, i corrected u by informing u ur use of terms was wrong, move on with ur life
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:27
Anachronism
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Anachronism wrote:
disintegration wrote:
heist wrote:
disintegration wrote:
But why should they be a separate discussion if they need the same things/if the needs overlap? 

What are meaningful, concrete ways? What does prioritizing mean in this context? Transphobes don't care if you are binary trans or nonbinary, who do you cater to with this separation, do you see concrete things that will change for the better if you split binary and non binary trans people in 2 smaller groups 
? What effect would it have on eg legislation that would protect trans people? 
i don't really have a well formed argument on this because like, these are sort of questions i ask myself and often don't know the answers to

i think yes there's overlap but maybe the distinction I'm making is probably poisoned by my experience at a liberal arts college where a lot of people literally just like, put they/them in their instagram bio and would be like "ok we are the same you and i" and would come to trans/nb spaces and like literally talk over us or derail discussions

like when i'm saying "meaningful separation" i mean like, coming out to your parents/family, changing how you present yourself, maybe transitioning medically

talking it out i don't think the distinction i'm making is between trans and nonbinary but between lived experiences and ugh i hate using this term "trenders", who often co opt the nonbinary label i guess, and at what point does the umbrella lose its meaning when it encompasses such wide variety of experience?

but also maybe i'm just blaire white-ing / kalvin garrah-ing 
I understand the frustration and there are people who do it to be special or whatever, but honestly this harsh separation won't do any good in my opinion because policing identities as if they were disorders is a step in the wrong direction. There was legislation that literally forced trans people to be sterilized before they were allowed to change the gender markers on their ids in my country not so long ago. 

It's a complicated topic but nonbinary people are not binary trans people's enemies, many of us have dysphoria, are not taken seriously, denied health care,... 
A german friend told me that they had to tell their therapist that they are a trans guy in order to get top op and my therapist wasn't taking me serious either. 

Honestly, saying you have to transition, have bad dysphoria, etc to be trans won't do any good, it just forces people to make decisions they maybe don't even want to make
Honestly why is it a big deal if a person is confused and realizes they're straight or cis later down the road 

Let ppl figure themselves out in their time 
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:28
Mankind
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mankind wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
disintegration wrote:
heist wrote:
i don't really have a well formed argument on this because like, these are sort of questions i ask myself and often don't know the answers to

i think yes there's overlap but maybe the distinction I'm making is probably poisoned by my experience at a liberal arts college where a lot of people literally just like, put they/them in their instagram bio and would be like "ok we are the same you and i" and would come to trans/nb spaces and like literally talk over us or derail discussions

like when i'm saying "meaningful separation" i mean like, coming out to your parents/family, changing how you present yourself, maybe transitioning medically

talking it out i don't think the distinction i'm making is between trans and nonbinary but between lived experiences and ugh i hate using this term "trenders", who often co opt the nonbinary label i guess, and at what point does the umbrella lose its meaning when it encompasses such wide variety of experience?

but also maybe i'm just blaire white-ing / kalvin garrah-ing 
I understand the frustration and there are people who do it to be special or whatever, but honestly this harsh separation won't do any good in my opinion because policing identities as if they were disorders is a step in the wrong direction. There was legislation that literally forced trans people to be sterilized before they were allowed to change the gender markers on their ids in my country not so long ago. 

It's a complicated topic but nonbinary people are not binary trans people's enemies, many of us have dysphoria, are not taken seriously, denied health care,... 
A german friend told me that they had to tell their therapist that they are a trans guy in order to get top op and my therapist wasn't taking me serious either. 

Honestly, saying you have to transition, have bad dysphoria, etc to be trans won't do any good, it just forces people to make decisions they maybe don't even want to make
Honestly why is it a big deal if a person is confused and realizes they're straight or cis later down the road 

Let ppl figure themselves out in their time 
!!!
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:29
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I find it very telling what people have deciding to obsess over in this thread lol
Date: 08-03-2021 00:29
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uhyre wrote:
disintegration wrote:
I find it very telling what people have deciding to obsess over in this thread lol
im obsessing over being called american
i didnt get forced thru ski day in school for this
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:30
Mankind
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mankind wrote:
lamb wrote:
disintegration wrote:
I find it very telling what people have deciding to obsess over in this thread lol
im obsessing over being called american
i didnt get forced thru ski day in school for this
hahahahahaha sorry i take it back 
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:30
Mankind
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mankind wrote:
calling someone american is kind of a harsh insult i agree sad
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:31
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uhyre wrote:
mankind wrote:
lamb wrote:
disintegration wrote:
I find it very telling what people have deciding to obsess over in this thread lol
im obsessing over being called american
i didnt get forced thru ski day in school for this
hahahahahaha sorry i take it back 
not forgiven 
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:31
BunnyButts
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BunnyButts wrote:
there shouldnt be a concept of iq because its already rigged against u based of ur economic class
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:32
Mankind
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mankind wrote:
lamb wrote:mankind wrote:
lamb wrote:
im obsessing over being called american
i didnt get forced thru ski day in school for this
hahahahahaha sorry i take it back 
not forgiven 
that's ok i did what i could
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:32
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wrote:
lamb wrote:
disintegration wrote:
I find it very telling what people have deciding to obsess over in this thread lol
im obsessing over being called american
i didnt get forced thru ski day in school for this
I was skipping ski camp because I never learned it haha
Date: 08-03-2021 00:32
Mankind
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mankind wrote:
kids these days are getting dumber each year i fear for my children's intelligence
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Date: 08-03-2021 00:33
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