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Pitbull wrote:

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BunnyButts wrote:
too vague do u have a more specific example?

Family, childhood, gender, money etc.

@Escobar here I gave a few examples of what I meant! Sorry for not being more clear!

It's okay! Thanks ahah

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Claire wrote:
like idk man i know a lot of neurodivergent people that are way into anime or marvel comics or whatever its really not just neurotypicals get obsessed with made up shit. like whats the thread really about.

i think she is talking about chem trails lol

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absintjente wrote:
what about social constructs confuse you? also, you adhere to them just as much as neurotypicals. a social construct is not the same as a social rule or a situation.

Aren't social rules social constructions? At least for me it's not just that I don't understand social rules but really any social constructs are quite confusing to me. Also other stuff that seems arbitrary, like how pluto wasn't a planet for a while or how neanderthals and homo sapiens are different species. Very confusing. I'd love to know how people feel that they are certain gender or why they don't just accept new info and change their views if the views they have are clearly based on false information. Or how they care so much about idk mr potato head now being just potato head. They're literally a potato

social constructionism is a sociological theory that states that reality is formed by how we interact and what we agree is real. a social construct is an idea that is widely accepted as natural by the inhabitants of a society.
social rules are a construct, yes. think of it like this: social rules are a social construct, but not all social constructs are social rules. the example of money has been used earlier in this thread, and its a very good example. money has no inherent value. it only has value because we have decided it has worth. it is symbolic. if you take a euro note and remove it from its context of being money, it wont be worth anything.
neither pluto nor neanderthals are not social constructs. however, the value we place in categorizing stuff could be argued to be a social construct. and perhaps the difference seems miniscule and arbitrary, but when you work in the field it may be of great importance to diligently study the difference between a planet and a dwarf planet, or homo sapiens and neanderthals.
the gender thing is a common thing w autism btw, esp afab ppl. there can be a disconnect, and some of it may be neurological, some of it may be socialized. do you struggle with not knowing your gender?
as to why people dont accept info, that is a completely different discussion. some of it is based in a genuine belief that the false information is true. some of it is based on having been brainwashed by propaganda. some of it has to do w stuff - like mr potato head - having a symbolic value. some of it has to do with the community theyre in. some of it has to do with fear of change. and so on, and so forth. it is a many faceted issue.

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absintjente wrote:
i think youre conflating a lot of very different things and seeking a yes/no answer to a complex sociological issue.

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I don't even understand like, u don't understand the concept of money ?? What is it to understand? The difference between u and the neurotypicals in question, is that the neurotypicals don't question everything, so in the case of money, we accept that money has some value bla bla bla n thats it, ofc we can think abt the meaning of money and how does it work ?? And why is it like that but instead we just ignore that and focus on the easy to get concept. Like. What

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And the homo sapiens n neanderthals thing and pluto not being a planet, I don't even understand what ur trying to say w that cus like,,, what
Its just how it is ukno, nothing confusing abt it

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ouch wrote:
Is not understanding social constructs /near truths/facts an autism thing rlly except the gender thing or whatever, like I've never ever seen it

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ouch wrote:

ouch wrote:
Is not understanding social constructs /near truths/facts an autism thing rlly except the gender thing or whatever, like I've never ever seen it

I thought it was just unable to b in social situations n act like normal ppl

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autism wrote:

absintjente wrote:

autism wrote:

absintjente wrote:
what about social constructs confuse you? also, you adhere to them just as much as neurotypicals. a social construct is not the same as a social rule or a situation.

Aren't social rules social constructions? At least for me it's not just that I don't understand social rules but really any social constructs are quite confusing to me. Also other stuff that seems arbitrary, like how pluto wasn't a planet for a while or how neanderthals and homo sapiens are different species. Very confusing. I'd love to know how people feel that they are certain gender or why they don't just accept new info and change their views if the views they have are clearly based on false information. Or how they care so much about idk mr potato head now being just potato head. They're literally a potato

social constructionism is a sociological theory that states that reality is formed by how we interact and what we agree is real. a social construct is an idea that is widely accepted as natural by the inhabitants of a society.
social rules are a construct, yes. think of it like this: social rules are a social construct, but not all social constructs are social rules. the example of money has been used earlier in this thread, and its a very good example. money has no inherent value. it only has value because we have decided it has worth. it is symbolic. if you take a euro note and remove it from its context of being money, it wont be worth anything.
neither pluto nor neanderthals are not social constructs. however, the value we place in categorizing stuff could be argued to be a social construct. and perhaps the difference seems miniscule and arbitrary, but when you work in the field it may be of great importance to diligently study the difference between a planet and a dwarf planet, or homo sapiens and neanderthals.
the gender thing is a common thing w autism btw, esp afab ppl. there can be a disconnect, and some of it may be neurological, some of it may be socialized. do you struggle with not knowing your gender?
as to why people dont accept info, that is a completely different discussion. some of it is based in a genuine belief that the false information is true. some of it is based on having been brainwashed by propaganda. some of it has to do w stuff - like mr potato head - having a symbolic value. some of it has to do with the community theyre in. some of it has to do with fear of change. and so on, and so forth. it is a many faceted issue.

Thank you for this! The last part was very useful and helped me understand things a bit better! And to your question about my gender, I have always seen myself as non-binary but I do lack the experience of gender. I don't see it as a negative thing though, just interested in how being a woman or being a man feels!

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autism wrote:

absintjente wrote:
what about social constructs confuse you? also, you adhere to them just as much as neurotypicals. a social construct is not the same as a social rule or a situation.

Aren't social rules social constructions? At least for me it's not just that I don't understand social rules but really any social constructs are quite confusing to me. Also other stuff that seems arbitrary, like how pluto wasn't a planet for a while or how neanderthals and homo sapiens are different species. Very confusing. I'd love to know how people feel that they are certain gender or why they don't just accept new info and change their views if the views they have are clearly based on false information. Or how they care so much about idk mr potato head now being just potato head. They're literally a potato

The pluto thing confused the fuck outta me growing up cuz we were in the middle of learning abt planets and stuff in school when they removed it as a planet and my teacher was like “oops nevermind kids pluto is irrelevant now so lets throw away ur drawings of it and erase it from the planet poster we all made” and we all were just like what is going on

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commander2 wrote:
im neurodivergent but i still dont see how gender n stuff r supposed 2 b social constructs, like yea gener roles 4 sure but cbbhb
calling gender fake n a social construct just seems sorta invalidating 2 me + I've seen terfs say the same so im like

bc now th woke ppl r saying th same

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Claire wrote:
Lowkey think you’re a troll tbh lmao

I kow this is going to come off as I'm trying to be insulting or something which isn't the case but if this person is autistic then it explains a lot though

i'm autistic and love my autistic traits so for me that's a compliment. I really am curious about the question i asked but after thinking more about this subject i started thinking of social constructs in inhuman animals so i guess they're the norm and this topic will be much harder to understand than I thought. However now i'm confused because humans often separate themselves from inhuman animals but neurotypical behavior is similar to the behavior of inhuman animals so i wonder why do we often see ourselves as something different from other animals?

And no I'm not a troll, you just have bad intuition in social situations (the latter sentence is a joke)

because we are self-aware, whereas we believe that other animals are not. and if they are, they have no way to communicate that.

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huh?

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There are lots of different realities. Find some peace in it.

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Rowan wrote:
im neurodivergent but i still dont see how gender n stuff r supposed 2 b social constructs, like yea gener roles 4 sure but cbbhb
calling gender fake n a social construct just seems sorta invalidating 2 me + I've seen terfs say the same so im like

bc now th woke ppl r saying th same

social construct =/= fake

when ppl say "gender is a construct", it means that we have easily observable traits that we have categorized into two groups, and agreed that this is the distinction and that woman and man are the names of them. but all of that is arbitrary. we could have agreed that there are other traits that qualify for genders. that a penis and vagina are the defining traits are arbitrary, and in another world it could have been that something else is defining traits, like how much body hair.