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Koolaid wrote:
Sylvan wrote:
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Fat ppl should be able to post a selfie without having to hear comments about their weight.

Being obese (bad diets or just too much calories) and not being active enough are one of the leading reasons for premature deaths but bullying a person on insta doesn't help at all. 

Regulating the food industry better would help, free meals at schools would help, sugar tax and coupons for healthy food would help, telling Betty on Facebook she's unhealthy does not. 

I have a lot of opinions about the body positivity movement that are a bit related to that but I'm not sure I should elaborate. 
i'd be interested to hear @Sylvan 
Too tired to write a long explanation but basically people just went from 'some people are ugly and deserve to be treated badly because of it' to 'every body type and combination of features is beautiful so we shouldn't treat anyone badly because of it' skipping the 'some body shapes and features are more attractive to most humans than others due to an old, complex biological process that kicks in to produce healthy offsprings. Since the days of mass media we emphasized that part and groom younger generations to treat their looks like it is their whole identity. This led to bad treatment of people who don't conform to beauty ideals. To solve this, we should do everything in our power to teach the next generation to put more emphasis on a good character, education, developing useful skills. Looks should have no relevance in most settings. Some people are ugly and that's perfectly fine because if looks aren't that big a part of one's identity their self worth isn't going to be defined by it. '

I'm in favor of the term body neutrality. Not every thing about our bodies needs to be healthy or pretty, we don't have to be positive about every part of our body. We don't need to celebrate those parts we need to stop obsessing over them and how others might see us. 
yeah i agree w u, body neutrality >
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absintjente wrote:
Sylvan wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Sylvan wrote:
Fat ppl should be able to post a selfie without having to hear comments about their weight.

Being obese (bad diets or just too much calories) and not being active enough are one of the leading reasons for premature deaths but bullying a person on insta doesn't help at all. 

Regulating the food industry better would help, free meals at schools would help, sugar tax and coupons for healthy food would help, telling Betty on Facebook she's unhealthy does not. 

I have a lot of opinions about the body positivity movement that are a bit related to that but I'm not sure I should elaborate. 
i'd be interested to hear @Sylvan 
Too tired to write a long explanation but basically people just went from 'some people are ugly and deserve to be treated badly because of it' to 'every body type and combination of features is beautiful so we shouldn't treat anyone badly because of it' skipping the 'some body shapes and features are more attractive to most humans than others due to an old, complex biological process that kicks in to produce healthy offsprings. Since the days of mass media we emphasized that part and groom younger generations to treat their looks like it is their whole identity. This led to bad treatment of people who don't conform to beauty ideals. To solve this, we should do everything in our power to teach the next generation to put more emphasis on a good character, education, developing useful skills. Looks should have no relevance in most settings. Some people are ugly and that's perfectly fine because if looks aren't that big a part of one's identity their self worth isn't going to be defined by it. '

I'm in favor of the term body neutrality. Not every thing about our bodies needs to be healthy or pretty, we don't have to be positive about every part of our body. We don't need to celebrate those parts we need to stop obsessing over them and how others might see us. 

i think body positivity in essence just places more value on beauty, while that should be irrelevant. fat people arent inherently ugly, but that is completely irrelevant. no ones worth should be based on whether or not they are pretty. we should aboliish beauty standards, not make more of them.
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Limbs wrote:
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omg every time someone speaks abt fatphobia someone always says 'we shouldn't normalize obesity' like 1. i didn't make that point, 2. why associate fatness w obesity???? like don't u see that's exactly the problem. 

being fat is not inherently unhealthy!!!
are you saying being fat is ok because it doesn't mean you're obese (because being obese is not ok) 

fatness is inherently associated with obesity, at least if you're talking about fatphobia, n trying to distance from it is just? fatphobia. i also think people have a distorted view of what obesity actually is bc a person this size is considered obese (bmi over 30)
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Alam wrote:
Sylvan wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Sylvan wrote:
Fat ppl should be able to post a selfie without having to hear comments about their weight.

Being obese (bad diets or just too much calories) and not being active enough are one of the leading reasons for premature deaths but bullying a person on insta doesn't help at all. 

Regulating the food industry better would help, free meals at schools would help, sugar tax and coupons for healthy food would help, telling Betty on Facebook she's unhealthy does not. 

I have a lot of opinions about the body positivity movement that are a bit related to that but I'm not sure I should elaborate. 
i'd be interested to hear @Sylvan 
Too tired to write a long explanation but basically people just went from 'some people are ugly and deserve to be treated badly because of it' to 'every body type and combination of features is beautiful so we shouldn't treat anyone badly because of it' skipping the 'some body shapes and features are more attractive to most humans than others due to an old, complex biological process that kicks in to produce healthy offsprings. Since the days of mass media we emphasized that part and groom younger generations to treat their looks like it is their whole identity. This led to bad treatment of people who don't conform to beauty ideals. To solve this, we should do everything in our power to teach the next generation to put more emphasis on a good character, education, developing useful skills. Looks should have no relevance in most settings. Some people are ugly and that's perfectly fine because if looks aren't that big a part of one's identity their self worth isn't going to be defined by it. '

I'm in favor of the term body neutrality. Not every thing about our bodies needs to be healthy or pretty, we don't have to be positive about every part of our body. We don't need to celebrate those parts we need to stop obsessing over them and how others might see us. 
Yes, this, good
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ouch wrote:
Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
omg every time someone speaks abt fatphobia someone always says 'we shouldn't normalize obesity' like 1. i didn't make that point, 2. why associate fatness w obesity???? like don't u see that's exactly the problem. 

being fat is not inherently unhealthy!!!
are you saying being fat is ok because it doesn't mean you're obese (because being obese is not ok) 

fatness is inherently associated with obesity, at least if you're talking about fatphobia, n trying to distance from it is just? fatphobia. i also think people have a distorted view of what obesity actually is bc a person this size is considered obese (bmi over 30)
Yeah, low obesity is seen as not smth thats bad anymore very often, because its the new normal. People saying "they should move the bmi things because the normal is in the overweight/obese range now" but at that point I think just get a new brain lol. I understand if u only see overweight/obese people around you (especially if u have a fat family) you will see healthy weight people as underweight, etc. But that doesn't change the fact that its most healthy to be in the normal range, honestly regardless of your diet/excersice habits orherwise. Being overweight causes damage to your joints regardless of what u eat and how fit you are. Body builders have very bad joints usually too, because of this. Especially in the knees. But if you are normal weight and u have a bad diet/little movement, you do get higher risk for heart disease etc (?) but I would still consider it better overall for ur body cus ur not putting as much strain on it. Same with being underweight, its unnecessary strain for your body. Being mildly underweight or overweight isn't as bad but being fat/obese/morbidly obese or extremely underweight is always bad, even tho everything seems ok up until now 

I just remember everyone in my exs family would call me a f twig or smth while I had a bmi of 20 or smth, because theirr entire family was fat so I WAS a twig in comparison, but not in reality. The danger of having half the world population becoming overweight tbh
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Im writing on phone n realize I should ahve put a break in there somehwere but oh well. Hope nobody has dyslexia or other issues
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ouch wrote:
I think fatphobia vs skinnyphobia (?) Is kind of interesting tho. Because I find people more often to hate on fat (obese+) people (not overweight), but being fat seems in general more accepted to be healthy, and being underweight (anorexia problems etc, not naturally skinny, USUALLY) is seen as something bad and unhealthy. I know everyone loves to say "skinny is the standard, everyone loves skinny people, its generally accepted to be skinny etc etc" but its not accepted lol, and its not the standard and its not the ideal. The ideal is being a healthy weight with curves (hard for most people to achieve btw), not SKINNY. 
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Koolaid wrote:
Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
omg every time someone speaks abt fatphobia someone always says 'we shouldn't normalize obesity' like 1. i didn't make that point, 2. why associate fatness w obesity???? like don't u see that's exactly the problem. 

being fat is not inherently unhealthy!!!
are you saying being fat is ok because it doesn't mean you're obese (because being obese is not ok) 

fatness is inherently associated with obesity, at least if you're talking about fatphobia, n trying to distance from it is just? fatphobia. i also think people have a distorted view of what obesity actually is bc a person this size is considered obese (bmi over 30)

what....

1. whether someone is obese fat or just normal fat is between the doctor and them, and only them

2. the bmi has been proven to be an inaccurate measure of obesity. for starters, it doesn't even work for asians. like, how u have a measure that doesn't work for at least 1/3 of the world's population

3. 'fatness is inherently associated with being obese', yes... and it shouldn't??? u can be a bit bigger and healthy


if we want to be exact, i don't use fat as a synonym for obese. i say that bc some ppl here were confused. u can just be fat and not obese.
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Koolaid wrote:
and yeah, it's like you guys keep proving my point? 'stop harrassing people for being fat' -> every joe and jane in here trying to throw the medical book at me as if i don't know what obesity is? lol
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Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
omg every time someone speaks abt fatphobia someone always says 'we shouldn't normalize obesity' like 1. i didn't make that point, 2. why associate fatness w obesity???? like don't u see that's exactly the problem. 

being fat is not inherently unhealthy!!!
are you saying being fat is ok because it doesn't mean you're obese (because being obese is not ok) 

fatness is inherently associated with obesity, at least if you're talking about fatphobia, n trying to distance from it is just? fatphobia. i also think people have a distorted view of what obesity actually is bc a person this size is considered obese (bmi over 30)

x
what....

1. whether someone is obese fat or just normal fat is between the doctor and them, and only them

2. the bmi has been proven to be an inaccurate measure of obesity. for starters, it doesn't even work for asians. like, how u have a measure that doesn't work for at least 1/3 of the world's population

3. 'fatness is inherently associated with being obese', yes... and it shouldn't??? u can be a bit bigger and healthy


if we want to be exact, i don't use fat as a synonym for obese. i say that bc some ppl here were confused. u can just be fat and not obese.
i don't understand why you're trying to argue that fatphobia is bad while excluding obese people from it
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ouch wrote:
Obese fat or normal fat 😭😭🙏
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Koolaid wrote:
Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Limbs wrote:
are you saying being fat is ok because it doesn't mean you're obese (because being obese is not ok) 

fatness is inherently associated with obesity, at least if you're talking about fatphobia, n trying to distance from it is just? fatphobia. i also think people have a distorted view of what obesity actually is bc a person this size is considered obese (bmi over 30)

x
what....

1. whether someone is obese fat or just normal fat is between the doctor and them, and only them

2. the bmi has been proven to be an inaccurate measure of obesity. for starters, it doesn't even work for asians. like, how u have a measure that doesn't work for at least 1/3 of the world's population

3. 'fatness is inherently associated with being obese', yes... and it shouldn't??? u can be a bit bigger and healthy


if we want to be exact, i don't use fat as a synonym for obese. i say that bc some ppl here were confused. u can just be fat and not obese.
i don't understand why you're trying to argue that fatphobia is bad while excluding obese people from it
where did i say that?
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Koolaid wrote:
ouch wrote:
Obese fat or normal fat 😭😭🙏
idk what terms u want me to use lmao. do i need to follow you and use chubby? why is your pov correct and mine isn't
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Koolaid wrote:
atp ur just nitpicking semantics
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Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
what....

1. whether someone is obese fat or just normal fat is between the doctor and them, and only them

2. the bmi has been proven to be an inaccurate measure of obesity. for starters, it doesn't even work for asians. like, how u have a measure that doesn't work for at least 1/3 of the world's population

3. 'fatness is inherently associated with being obese', yes... and it shouldn't??? u can be a bit bigger and healthy


if we want to be exact, i don't use fat as a synonym for obese. i say that bc some ppl here were confused. u can just be fat and not obese.
i don't understand why you're trying to argue that fatphobia is bad while excluding obese people from it
where did i say that?
"3. 'fatness is inherently associated with being obese', yes... and it shouldn't??? u can be a bit bigger and healthy" 
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