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Alam wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:

Sobbing wrote:
it is common for muslims because they believe in islam to be against lbqt
it is not common to be right wing for every white person

that is the difference
muslim people as a whole are not to be blamed for terrorist attacks, that is wrong
what is looked down on are their values or beliefs which are the reasons for SOME of the committed terrorist attacks

Radicalisation occurs in all groups regardless of the intention behind the "source material" that they use to justify their actions. It is fundamentally unfair to blame the religion for the action of radicalised members, we don't do it for any other religion and should therefore refrain from doing it with Islam. No religion would support murder of people regardless of whether they lead their life in "sin" (which is a Christian concept anyway), because other points should always cancel out that. Ultimately, in religion, god or the divinity of the religion or some other related concept is the final judge; the followers of the religion are never supposed to take this role.

Okay so Sobbing is incredibly inarticulate, no offence, and their point is uhhh misguided to say the least. But to equate modern Islam to modern Christianity is inaccurate and unfair. Modern Christianity, or at least most popular denominations of it, have evolved differently to Islam and to assume that they are equally incompatible with progressive/"western" ideals is just not true, they aren't.
Radicalisation is relative, yeh? Say, in some orthodox/ultra orthodox Jewish communities, the idea of conversion therapy is completely sensical, while in any reform, conservative or secular Jewish communities the concept is absolutely radical. So when the starting point for Muslim people from Islamic countries is already radical from a progressive/"western" perspective, we have a problem. It's not a coincidence that many Islamic countries are going through war, civil strife and mass migration, because the ideals of Islam as they are at the moment are socially unsustainable, especially when faced with other parts of the world.
As to your point that sin is a Christian concept, that's just not true. Original sin is, yes, but sin as in "you did something God doesn't like, you shall be punished for it" is present in the main three Abrahamic religions at least (I honestly don't know much about other Abrahamic religions or otherwise so yeah), and it is a big part of Islam specifically. Regardless, I don't know why you brought up the religious aspect of it all, as in, what "the faith" (Islam is far from a monolith) encourages, because the bottom line is that many Islamic cultures encourage beliefs and actions that are harmful to people inside and outside of the religion, with what happened yesterday as an extreme result of that, so it doesn't really matter what scripture or religious scholars have to say.
Regardless of all that, I think I understand what your point is, which is that stating all of this (read: the obvious) is useless, or in fact, harmful to the vast majority of Muslims just living their lives and believing what they believe in the comfort of their own homes. I agree, I don't think there's really a point to saying "hey uh Islam is kinda problematic" without pointing to a solution, it's just a further dividing conversation, there's no point to it. Yeh.

Thank you for correcting me, I mixed up some religious concepts. And yes, it seems like you understood what my point is. I'm not defending their beliefs, I'm just saying that it's unfair, wrong and harmful to drag everyone for the actions of some (and in Europe, very few).

Everything can in theory be problematic, and it's wrong to exclusively single out Islam as the problematic thing constantly because of Islamists. Sure, other groups get attacked and ridiculed as well, but I've not seen a group be as singled out in Norway and most of Europe as people who have ties to Islam in some way. They're frequently urged to collectively condemn terrorist attacks, only because those who conducted them "believe in Islam". In my opinion, it is an issue.

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Alam wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:

Alam wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:
Radicalisation occurs in all groups regardless of the intention behind the "source material" that they use to justify their actions. It is fundamentally unfair to blame the religion for the action of radicalised members, we don't do it for any other religion and should therefore refrain from doing it with Islam. No religion would support murder of people regardless of whether they lead their life in "sin" (which is a Christian concept anyway), because other points should always cancel out that. Ultimately, in religion, god or the divinity of the religion or some other related concept is the final judge; the followers of the religion are never supposed to take this role.

Okay so Sobbing is incredibly inarticulate, no offence, and their point is uhhh misguided to say the least. But to equate modern Islam to modern Christianity is inaccurate and unfair. Modern Christianity, or at least most popular denominations of it, have evolved differently to Islam and to assume that they are equally incompatible with progressive/"western" ideals is just not true, they aren't.
Radicalisation is relative, yeh? Say, in some orthodox/ultra orthodox Jewish communities, the idea of conversion therapy is completely sensical, while in any reform, conservative or secular Jewish communities the concept is absolutely radical. So when the starting point for Muslim people from Islamic countries is already radical from a progressive/"western" perspective, we have a problem. It's not a coincidence that many Islamic countries are going through war, civil strife and mass migration, because the ideals of Islam as they are at the moment are socially unsustainable, especially when faced with other parts of the world.
As to your point that sin is a Christian concept, that's just not true. Original sin is, yes, but sin as in "you did something God doesn't like, you shall be punished for it" is present in the main three Abrahamic religions at least (I honestly don't know much about other Abrahamic religions or otherwise so yeah), and it is a big part of Islam specifically. Regardless, I don't know why you brought up the religious aspect of it all, as in, what "the faith" (Islam is far from a monolith) encourages, because the bottom line is that many Islamic cultures encourage beliefs and actions that are harmful to people inside and outside of the religion, with what happened yesterday as an extreme result of that, so it doesn't really matter what scripture or religious scholars have to say.
Regardless of all that, I think I understand what your point is, which is that stating all of this (read: the obvious) is useless, or in fact, harmful to the vast majority of Muslims just living their lives and believing what they believe in the comfort of their own homes. I agree, I don't think there's really a point to saying "hey uh Islam is kinda problematic" without pointing to a solution, it's just a further dividing conversation, there's no point to it. Yeh.

Thank you for correcting me, I mixed up some religious concepts. And yes, it seems like you understood what my point is. I'm not defending their beliefs, I'm just saying that it's unfair, wrong and harmful to drag everyone for the actions of some (and in Europe, very few).

Everything can in theory be problematic, and it's wrong to exclusively single out Islam as the problematic thing constantly because of Islamists. Sure, other groups get attacked and ridiculed as well, but I've not seen a group be as singled out in Norway and most of Europe as people who have ties to Islam in some way. They're frequently urged to collectively condemn terrorist attacks, only because those who conducted them "believe in Islam". In my opinion, it is an issue.

Absolutely to all of this, I'd just like to add that you probably meant you haven't seen a group be as singled out in most of Europe in your lifetime, because. You know.

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Sobbing wrote:
ok alam u are more articulated than i am but u said what i wanted to say
yes the conversation isnt gonna bring any solution to the problem, at an individual level i have no way to reform third world countries nor harmful beliefs that stem from religion

but i think that its wrong to say that islam, in this case specifically, isnt to blame for harmful ideologies

in the end, religion is a guidebook for many people and it holds a great importance to their values and morals, so to say that it isnt just as harmful as it is good is wrong, it goes for all religions and not islam in particular

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wug wrote:

Alam wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:

Alam wrote:
Okay so Sobbing is incredibly inarticulate, no offence, and their point is uhhh misguided to say the least. But to equate modern Islam to modern Christianity is inaccurate and unfair. Modern Christianity, or at least most popular denominations of it, have evolved differently to Islam and to assume that they are equally incompatible with progressive/"western" ideals is just not true, they aren't.
Radicalisation is relative, yeh? Say, in some orthodox/ultra orthodox Jewish communities, the idea of conversion therapy is completely sensical, while in any reform, conservative or secular Jewish communities the concept is absolutely radical. So when the starting point for Muslim people from Islamic countries is already radical from a progressive/"western" perspective, we have a problem. It's not a coincidence that many Islamic countries are going through war, civil strife and mass migration, because the ideals of Islam as they are at the moment are socially unsustainable, especially when faced with other parts of the world.
As to your point that sin is a Christian concept, that's just not true. Original sin is, yes, but sin as in "you did something God doesn't like, you shall be punished for it" is present in the main three Abrahamic religions at least (I honestly don't know much about other Abrahamic religions or otherwise so yeah), and it is a big part of Islam specifically. Regardless, I don't know why you brought up the religious aspect of it all, as in, what "the faith" (Islam is far from a monolith) encourages, because the bottom line is that many Islamic cultures encourage beliefs and actions that are harmful to people inside and outside of the religion, with what happened yesterday as an extreme result of that, so it doesn't really matter what scripture or religious scholars have to say.
Regardless of all that, I think I understand what your point is, which is that stating all of this (read: the obvious) is useless, or in fact, harmful to the vast majority of Muslims just living their lives and believing what they believe in the comfort of their own homes. I agree, I don't think there's really a point to saying "hey uh Islam is kinda problematic" without pointing to a solution, it's just a further dividing conversation, there's no point to it. Yeh.

Thank you for correcting me, I mixed up some religious concepts. And yes, it seems like you understood what my point is. I'm not defending their beliefs, I'm just saying that it's unfair, wrong and harmful to drag everyone for the actions of some (and in Europe, very few).

Everything can in theory be problematic, and it's wrong to exclusively single out Islam as the problematic thing constantly because of Islamists. Sure, other groups get attacked and ridiculed as well, but I've not seen a group be as singled out in Norway and most of Europe as people who have ties to Islam in some way. They're frequently urged to collectively condemn terrorist attacks, only because those who conducted them "believe in Islam". In my opinion, it is an issue.

Absolutely to all of this, I'd just like to add that you probably meant you haven't seen a group be as singled out in most of Europe in your lifetime, because. You know.

Yeah, of course, in my lifetime. I forgot to add that.

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I hope everyone is safe!

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Alam wrote:

Sobbing wrote:
ok alam u are more articulated than i am but u said what i wanted to say
yes the conversation isnt gonna bring any solution to the problem, at an individual level i have no way to reform third world countries nor harmful beliefs that stem from religion

but i think that its wrong to say that islam, in this case specifically, isnt to blame for harmful ideologies

in the end, religion is a guidebook for many people and it holds a great importance to their values and morals, so to say that it isnt just as harmful as it is good is wrong, it goes for all religions and not islam in particular

Again, yes, duh. What's the point though? What do you suggest be done about it? And why do you think it necessary to go into right now, specifically by you, who I assume have nothing to do with Muslim people or Islam as a faith?

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Sobbing wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:

Alam wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:
Radicalisation occurs in all groups regardless of the intention behind the "source material" that they use to justify their actions. It is fundamentally unfair to blame the religion for the action of radicalised members, we don't do it for any other religion and should therefore refrain from doing it with Islam. No religion would support murder of people regardless of whether they lead their life in "sin" (which is a Christian concept anyway), because other points should always cancel out that. Ultimately, in religion, god or the divinity of the religion or some other related concept is the final judge; the followers of the religion are never supposed to take this role.

Okay so Sobbing is incredibly inarticulate, no offence, and their point is uhhh misguided to say the least. But to equate modern Islam to modern Christianity is inaccurate and unfair. Modern Christianity, or at least most popular denominations of it, have evolved differently to Islam and to assume that they are equally incompatible with progressive/"western" ideals is just not true, they aren't.
Radicalisation is relative, yeh? Say, in some orthodox/ultra orthodox Jewish communities, the idea of conversion therapy is completely sensical, while in any reform, conservative or secular Jewish communities the concept is absolutely radical. So when the starting point for Muslim people from Islamic countries is already radical from a progressive/"western" perspective, we have a problem. It's not a coincidence that many Islamic countries are going through war, civil strife and mass migration, because the ideals of Islam as they are at the moment are socially unsustainable, especially when faced with other parts of the world.
As to your point that sin is a Christian concept, that's just not true. Original sin is, yes, but sin as in "you did something God doesn't like, you shall be punished for it" is present in the main three Abrahamic religions at least (I honestly don't know much about other Abrahamic religions or otherwise so yeah), and it is a big part of Islam specifically. Regardless, I don't know why you brought up the religious aspect of it all, as in, what "the faith" (Islam is far from a monolith) encourages, because the bottom line is that many Islamic cultures encourage beliefs and actions that are harmful to people inside and outside of the religion, with what happened yesterday as an extreme result of that, so it doesn't really matter what scripture or religious scholars have to say.
Regardless of all that, I think I understand what your point is, which is that stating all of this (read: the obvious) is useless, or in fact, harmful to the vast majority of Muslims just living their lives and believing what they believe in the comfort of their own homes. I agree, I don't think there's really a point to saying "hey uh Islam is kinda problematic" without pointing to a solution, it's just a further dividing conversation, there's no point to it. Yeh.

Thank you for correcting me, I mixed up some religious concepts. And yes, it seems like you understood what my point is. I'm not defending their beliefs, I'm just saying that it's unfair, wrong and harmful to drag everyone for the actions of some (and in Europe, very few).

Everything can in theory be problematic, and it's wrong to exclusively single out Islam as the problematic thing constantly because of Islamists. Sure, other groups get attacked and ridiculed as well, but I've not seen a group be as singled out in Norway and most of Europe as people who have ties to Islam in some way. They're frequently urged to collectively condemn terrorist attacks, only because those who conducted them "believe in Islam". In my opinion, it is an issue.

you have to take in the situation, norway as well as sweden has taken in a big amount of refugees and immigrants, many of them being muslim and atleast for sweden, many of these are those who also commit crimes, so it makes sense in the end to direct frustration and worry towards ''muslims'' as the refugees and immigrants are mostly from eastern countries, this SUCKS for muslims who live quiet day to day lives

is every muslim a criminal no
are muslims the only criminals, no
but i think its an important factor to the reason of singling out specifically muslims in european countries rn

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wug wrote:

Sobbing wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:

Alam wrote:
Okay so Sobbing is incredibly inarticulate, no offence, and their point is uhhh misguided to say the least. But to equate modern Islam to modern Christianity is inaccurate and unfair. Modern Christianity, or at least most popular denominations of it, have evolved differently to Islam and to assume that they are equally incompatible with progressive/"western" ideals is just not true, they aren't.
Radicalisation is relative, yeh? Say, in some orthodox/ultra orthodox Jewish communities, the idea of conversion therapy is completely sensical, while in any reform, conservative or secular Jewish communities the concept is absolutely radical. So when the starting point for Muslim people from Islamic countries is already radical from a progressive/"western" perspective, we have a problem. It's not a coincidence that many Islamic countries are going through war, civil strife and mass migration, because the ideals of Islam as they are at the moment are socially unsustainable, especially when faced with other parts of the world.
As to your point that sin is a Christian concept, that's just not true. Original sin is, yes, but sin as in "you did something God doesn't like, you shall be punished for it" is present in the main three Abrahamic religions at least (I honestly don't know much about other Abrahamic religions or otherwise so yeah), and it is a big part of Islam specifically. Regardless, I don't know why you brought up the religious aspect of it all, as in, what "the faith" (Islam is far from a monolith) encourages, because the bottom line is that many Islamic cultures encourage beliefs and actions that are harmful to people inside and outside of the religion, with what happened yesterday as an extreme result of that, so it doesn't really matter what scripture or religious scholars have to say.
Regardless of all that, I think I understand what your point is, which is that stating all of this (read: the obvious) is useless, or in fact, harmful to the vast majority of Muslims just living their lives and believing what they believe in the comfort of their own homes. I agree, I don't think there's really a point to saying "hey uh Islam is kinda problematic" without pointing to a solution, it's just a further dividing conversation, there's no point to it. Yeh.

Thank you for correcting me, I mixed up some religious concepts. And yes, it seems like you understood what my point is. I'm not defending their beliefs, I'm just saying that it's unfair, wrong and harmful to drag everyone for the actions of some (and in Europe, very few).

Everything can in theory be problematic, and it's wrong to exclusively single out Islam as the problematic thing constantly because of Islamists. Sure, other groups get attacked and ridiculed as well, but I've not seen a group be as singled out in Norway and most of Europe as people who have ties to Islam in some way. They're frequently urged to collectively condemn terrorist attacks, only because those who conducted them "believe in Islam". In my opinion, it is an issue.

you have to take in the situation, norway as well as sweden has taken in a big amount of refugees and immigrants, many of them being muslim and atleast for sweden, many of these are those who also commit crimes, so it makes sense in the end to direct frustration and worry towards ''muslims'' as the refugees and immigrants are mostly from eastern countries, this SUCKS for muslims who live quiet day to day lives

is every muslim a criminal no
are muslims the only criminals, no
but i think its an important factor to the reason of singling out specifically muslims in european countries rn

I don't think Sweden and Norway are comparable countries at all on this topic. Norway has significantly less immigration than Sweden, and is in total half the population of Sweden. Sweden is simply too populous to be appropriately compared to the other Nordic countries.

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Sobbing wrote:

Alam wrote:

Sobbing wrote:
ok alam u are more articulated than i am but u said what i wanted to say
yes the conversation isnt gonna bring any solution to the problem, at an individual level i have no way to reform third world countries nor harmful beliefs that stem from religion

but i think that its wrong to say that islam, in this case specifically, isnt to blame for harmful ideologies

in the end, religion is a guidebook for many people and it holds a great importance to their values and morals, so to say that it isnt just as harmful as it is good is wrong, it goes for all religions and not islam in particular

Again, yes, duh. What's the point though? What do you suggest be done about it? And why do you think it necessary to go into right now, specifically by you, who I assume have nothing to do with Muslim people or Islam as a faith?

i literally just said there is no point nor that i can do anything
with that logic there is no point in discussing anything at any time except at congress or something
this is a forum
people discuss for the sake of it not to bring on a world change

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Sobbing wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:

Sobbing wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:
Thank you for correcting me, I mixed up some religious concepts. And yes, it seems like you understood what my point is. I'm not defending their beliefs, I'm just saying that it's unfair, wrong and harmful to drag everyone for the actions of some (and in Europe, very few).

Everything can in theory be problematic, and it's wrong to exclusively single out Islam as the problematic thing constantly because of Islamists. Sure, other groups get attacked and ridiculed as well, but I've not seen a group be as singled out in Norway and most of Europe as people who have ties to Islam in some way. They're frequently urged to collectively condemn terrorist attacks, only because those who conducted them "believe in Islam". In my opinion, it is an issue.

you have to take in the situation, norway as well as sweden has taken in a big amount of refugees and immigrants, many of them being muslim and atleast for sweden, many of these are those who also commit crimes, so it makes sense in the end to direct frustration and worry towards ''muslims'' as the refugees and immigrants are mostly from eastern countries, this SUCKS for muslims who live quiet day to day lives

is every muslim a criminal no
are muslims the only criminals, no
but i think its an important factor to the reason of singling out specifically muslims in european countries rn

I don't think Sweden and Norway are comparable countries at all on this topic. Norway has significantly less immigration than Sweden, and is in total half the population of Sweden. Sweden is simply too populous to be appropriately compared to the other Nordic countries.

ok then redact norway from my statement

Alam
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Alam wrote:

Sobbing wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:

Alam wrote:
Okay so Sobbing is incredibly inarticulate, no offence, and their point is uhhh misguided to say the least. But to equate modern Islam to modern Christianity is inaccurate and unfair. Modern Christianity, or at least most popular denominations of it, have evolved differently to Islam and to assume that they are equally incompatible with progressive/"western" ideals is just not true, they aren't.
Radicalisation is relative, yeh? Say, in some orthodox/ultra orthodox Jewish communities, the idea of conversion therapy is completely sensical, while in any reform, conservative or secular Jewish communities the concept is absolutely radical. So when the starting point for Muslim people from Islamic countries is already radical from a progressive/"western" perspective, we have a problem. It's not a coincidence that many Islamic countries are going through war, civil strife and mass migration, because the ideals of Islam as they are at the moment are socially unsustainable, especially when faced with other parts of the world.
As to your point that sin is a Christian concept, that's just not true. Original sin is, yes, but sin as in "you did something God doesn't like, you shall be punished for it" is present in the main three Abrahamic religions at least (I honestly don't know much about other Abrahamic religions or otherwise so yeah), and it is a big part of Islam specifically. Regardless, I don't know why you brought up the religious aspect of it all, as in, what "the faith" (Islam is far from a monolith) encourages, because the bottom line is that many Islamic cultures encourage beliefs and actions that are harmful to people inside and outside of the religion, with what happened yesterday as an extreme result of that, so it doesn't really matter what scripture or religious scholars have to say.
Regardless of all that, I think I understand what your point is, which is that stating all of this (read: the obvious) is useless, or in fact, harmful to the vast majority of Muslims just living their lives and believing what they believe in the comfort of their own homes. I agree, I don't think there's really a point to saying "hey uh Islam is kinda problematic" without pointing to a solution, it's just a further dividing conversation, there's no point to it. Yeh.

Thank you for correcting me, I mixed up some religious concepts. And yes, it seems like you understood what my point is. I'm not defending their beliefs, I'm just saying that it's unfair, wrong and harmful to drag everyone for the actions of some (and in Europe, very few).

Everything can in theory be problematic, and it's wrong to exclusively single out Islam as the problematic thing constantly because of Islamists. Sure, other groups get attacked and ridiculed as well, but I've not seen a group be as singled out in Norway and most of Europe as people who have ties to Islam in some way. They're frequently urged to collectively condemn terrorist attacks, only because those who conducted them "believe in Islam". In my opinion, it is an issue.

you have to take in the situation, norway as well as sweden has taken in a big amount of refugees and immigrants, many of them being muslim and atleast for sweden, many of these are those who also commit crimes, so it makes sense in the end to direct frustration and worry towards ''muslims'' as the refugees and immigrants are mostly from eastern countries, this SUCKS for muslims who live quiet day to day lives

is every muslim a criminal no
are muslims the only criminals, no
but i think its an important factor to the reason of singling out specifically muslims in european countries rn

They're not "criminals" because they're Muslim, they commit crimes because they're poor, refugees in a country that brought them in with no plans on how to integrate them into their new home, Jesus fuck

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Sobbing wrote:

Alam wrote:

Sobbing wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:
Thank you for correcting me, I mixed up some religious concepts. And yes, it seems like you understood what my point is. I'm not defending their beliefs, I'm just saying that it's unfair, wrong and harmful to drag everyone for the actions of some (and in Europe, very few).

Everything can in theory be problematic, and it's wrong to exclusively single out Islam as the problematic thing constantly because of Islamists. Sure, other groups get attacked and ridiculed as well, but I've not seen a group be as singled out in Norway and most of Europe as people who have ties to Islam in some way. They're frequently urged to collectively condemn terrorist attacks, only because those who conducted them "believe in Islam". In my opinion, it is an issue.

you have to take in the situation, norway as well as sweden has taken in a big amount of refugees and immigrants, many of them being muslim and atleast for sweden, many of these are those who also commit crimes, so it makes sense in the end to direct frustration and worry towards ''muslims'' as the refugees and immigrants are mostly from eastern countries, this SUCKS for muslims who live quiet day to day lives

is every muslim a criminal no
are muslims the only criminals, no
but i think its an important factor to the reason of singling out specifically muslims in european countries rn

They're not "criminals" because they're Muslim, they commit crimes because they're poor, refugees in a country that brought them in with no plans on how to integrate them into their new home, Jesus fuck

who said that they are criminals because they are muslim????????? i said that many of the criminals are muslim(IN SWEDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), not that muslims are criminals nor did i imply that anywhere

Alam
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Alam wrote:

Sobbing wrote:

Alam wrote:

Sobbing wrote:
ok alam u are more articulated than i am but u said what i wanted to say
yes the conversation isnt gonna bring any solution to the problem, at an individual level i have no way to reform third world countries nor harmful beliefs that stem from religion

but i think that its wrong to say that islam, in this case specifically, isnt to blame for harmful ideologies

in the end, religion is a guidebook for many people and it holds a great importance to their values and morals, so to say that it isnt just as harmful as it is good is wrong, it goes for all religions and not islam in particular

Again, yes, duh. What's the point though? What do you suggest be done about it? And why do you think it necessary to go into right now, specifically by you, who I assume have nothing to do with Muslim people or Islam as a faith?

i literally just said there is no point nor that i can do anything
with that logic there is no point in discussing anything at any time except at congress or something
this is a forum
people discuss for the sake of it not to bring on a world change

No, there is specifically no point in discussing this topic the way you have because all it does is further demonise Muslim people.

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wug wrote:

Sobbing wrote:

Klasifikovany wrote:

Sobbing wrote:
you have to take in the situation, norway as well as sweden has taken in a big amount of refugees and immigrants, many of them being muslim and atleast for sweden, many of these are those who also commit crimes, so it makes sense in the end to direct frustration and worry towards ''muslims'' as the refugees and immigrants are mostly from eastern countries, this SUCKS for muslims who live quiet day to day lives

is every muslim a criminal no
are muslims the only criminals, no
but i think its an important factor to the reason of singling out specifically muslims in european countries rn

I don't think Sweden and Norway are comparable countries at all on this topic. Norway has significantly less immigration than Sweden, and is in total half the population of Sweden. Sweden is simply too populous to be appropriately compared to the other Nordic countries.

ok then redact norway from my statement

I still cannot find myself agreeing with it, it's fundamentally problematic to attribute so much significance to the religion and/or ethnicity of people, regardless of their actions. We have seen this before, and should not want a repeat of history. Obviously it's not identical, but we should be very careful here.

Alam
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Alam wrote:

Sobbing wrote:

Alam wrote:

Sobbing wrote:
you have to take in the situation, norway as well as sweden has taken in a big amount of refugees and immigrants, many of them being muslim and atleast for sweden, many of these are those who also commit crimes, so it makes sense in the end to direct frustration and worry towards ''muslims'' as the refugees and immigrants are mostly from eastern countries, this SUCKS for muslims who live quiet day to day lives

is every muslim a criminal no
are muslims the only criminals, no
but i think its an important factor to the reason of singling out specifically muslims in european countries rn

They're not "criminals" because they're Muslim, they commit crimes because they're poor, refugees in a country that brought them in with no plans on how to integrate them into their new home, Jesus fuck

who said that they are criminals because they are muslim????????? i said that many of the criminals are muslim(IN SWEDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), not that muslims are criminals nor did i imply that anywhere

God, I know you mean well but your thoughts and feelings on this matter are not fully formed enough to continue in this argument without further doubling down and embarrassing yourself.