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autism wrote:
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like i know what they're defined as on paper, but i just don't understand what it means when you say 'you have no gender'?
for me it means just that and i don't think other people need to understand it
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Date: 18-04-2022 22:27
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Limbs wrote:
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not only that but trans ppl aren't legally allowed to have kids thru natural means in my country yay
...I...what?
what happens if they get pregnant 
they r forced to go thru sterilization uwu owo love this place
that's not entirely accurate, you're required to either be sterilized or prove that you are incapable of reproduction, and being on HRT is enough proof of the latter. it's still very very wrong though
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Date: 18-04-2022 22:29
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Koolaid wrote:
autism wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
like i know what they're defined as on paper, but i just don't understand what it means when you say 'you have no gender'?
for me it means just that and i don't think other people need to understand it
but why would you want to add more genders instead of abolishing the idea of gender in the first place (and not having to worry about gender at all)
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Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
like i know what they're defined as on paper, but i just don't understand what it means when you say 'you have no gender'?
that's fine you don't have to understand everything in this world
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Koolaid wrote:
Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
like i know what they're defined as on paper, but i just don't understand what it means when you say 'you have no gender'?
that's fine you don't have to understand everything in this world
..ok? what if someone actually wants to understand? you just seem unnecessarily hostile.
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Date: 18-04-2022 22:31
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ouch wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
like i know what they're defined as on paper, but i just don't understand what it means when you say 'you have no gender'?
I feel like most ppl who day that have an atypical view of how gender "works", eg some autistic people etc. but no I don't rlly understand it either, because I can't explain how I am a woman, because I fit in the same amount of stereotypes of both men and women, so why do I know I am a woman still lol, I don't know but I just know at the same time. What I don't understand at all tho is the ppl that want to go against gender stereotypes and abolish gender bla bla bla, but they do that by identifying themselves as non-binary, which just enforces gender roles even more in my opinion, because it makes it seem like you are not a man or a woman if you don't follow the gender norms 
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Date: 18-04-2022 22:32
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Alam wrote:
Limbs wrote:
Melody wrote:
Barbarella wrote:
...I...what?
what happens if they get pregnant 
they r forced to go thru sterilization uwu owo love this place
that's not entirely accurate, you're required to either be sterilized or prove that you are incapable of reproduction, and being on HRT is enough proof of the latter. it's still very very wrong though
No it's not, at least for trans men on t. Apparently there have been cases of trans men getting pregnant unintentionally while on testosterone, and definitely have been cases of trans men going off t to get pregnant. Easily googleable but my source is me old man, he's an obstetrician and has had two or three trans men give birth in his department. I didn't know the first part either, he told me that after his department was given like a course thing about trans healthcare a few weeks ago.
Regardless that's very much fucked up and not normal.
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Koolaid wrote:
ouch wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
like i know what they're defined as on paper, but i just don't understand what it means when you say 'you have no gender'?
I feel like most ppl who day that have an atypical view of how gender "works", eg some autistic people etc. but no I don't rlly understand it either, because I can't explain how I am a woman, because I fit in the same amount of stereotypes of both men and women, so why do I know I am a woman still lol, I don't know but I just know at the same time. What I don't understand at all tho is the ppl that want to go against gender stereotypes and abolish gender bla bla bla, but they do that by identifying themselves as non-binary, which just enforces gender roles even more in my opinion, because it makes it seem like you are not a man or a woman if you don't follow the gender norms 
yes i also feel that way but i'm open to people who want to argue otherwise

i never thought about my gender before the gender-discussion became a thing online. i never 'felt' like a gender. i never 'identified' with a gender. i know i am a woman because society sees me as a woman. i don't 'feel' like a woman. i don't feel 'womanly'. yes i have a uterus but not every woman has one. i like some feminine things and i like masculine things, but liking one over the other also does not define my gender.

so what, in the end, does feeling like a 'woman' mean?
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Date: 18-04-2022 22:35
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Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Limbs wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
like i know what they're defined as on paper, but i just don't understand what it means when you say 'you have no gender'?
that's fine you don't have to understand everything in this world
..ok? what if someone actually wants to understand? you just seem unnecessarily hostile.
i... how was that hostile omg
i'm just saying that for every person on this earth there are going to be some things about the way other people exist that you can't understand, and you can either be cool with that and let them be, or argue them about it bc you think they must be wrong since you can't understand it. 

> what if someone actually wants to understand?
a lot of people do understand. idk what to do here bc people are explaining it to you in ways that do make sense to them and others, but if you just don't get it, then you just don't get it. and that's fine. you're gonna have this experience about other things as well (everyone does) so mayb just try to make peace with it
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Date: 18-04-2022 22:40
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Limbs wrote:
Alam wrote:
Limbs wrote:
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they r forced to go thru sterilization uwu owo love this place
that's not entirely accurate, you're required to either be sterilized or prove that you are incapable of reproduction, and being on HRT is enough proof of the latter. it's still very very wrong though
No it's not, at least for trans men on t. Apparently there have been cases of trans men getting pregnant unintentionally while on testosterone, and definitely have been cases of trans men going off t to get pregnant. Easily googleable but my source is me old man, he's an obstetrician and has had two or three trans men give birth in his department. I didn't know the first part either, he told me that after his department was given like a course thing about trans healthcare a few weeks ago.
Regardless that's very much fucked up and not normal.
i mean i don't think they test whether you're actually incapable of reproduction (can you even do that for afab people?). but they take it for granted that if you're on HRT that's enough to qualify

not completely 100% sure of this though, it's just what i've heard from ppl talking about the trans law n the process here
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Date: 18-04-2022 22:45
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Anachronism wrote:
Barbarella wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
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No penis though, that's for later
Is a strap on a reasonable substitute for a penis

I love the 90s 
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Anachronism wrote:
ouch wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
like i know what they're defined as on paper, but i just don't understand what it means when you say 'you have no gender'?
I feel like most ppl who day that have an atypical view of how gender "works", eg some autistic people etc. but no I don't rlly understand it either, because I can't explain how I am a woman, because I fit in the same amount of stereotypes of both men and women, so why do I know I am a woman still lol, I don't know but I just know at the same time. What I don't understand at all tho is the ppl that want to go against gender stereotypes and abolish gender bla bla bla, but they do that by identifying themselves as non-binary, which just enforces gender roles even more in my opinion, because it makes it seem like you are not a man or a woman if you don't follow the gender norms 
I used to think that 

Until I realized it's about identity, not expression or presentation 

I want to be seen as a woman, even if I'm not always conforming to norms for women 

Non binary people dont want to be seen as either man or women, that makes sense to me
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Danielle wrote:
i think youre over thinking it
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autism wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
autism wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
like i know what they're defined as on paper, but i just don't understand what it means when you say 'you have no gender'?
for me it means just that and i don't think other people need to understand it
but why would you want to add more genders instead of abolishing the idea of gender in the first place (and not having to worry about gender at all)
our idea of gender is binary so abolishing the idea of there being two genders is abolishing the idea of gender that we have
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Koolaid wrote:
autism wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
autism wrote:
for me it means just that and i don't think other people need to understand it
but why would you want to add more genders instead of abolishing the idea of gender in the first place (and not having to worry about gender at all)
our idea of gender is binary so abolishing the idea of there being two genders is abolishing the idea of gender that we have
i would actually prefer abolishing the idea of gender
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Date: 19-04-2022 10:51
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