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do u think diversity in movies and tv series
Duckgirl
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duckgirl wrote:
Persona wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
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There's a famous film about a Jewish woman who was basically a sexual slave for some Nazi commanders at a concentration camp. After the war, she becomes wealthy and one of the Nazi commanders becomes a hotel porter. They meet when she's a guest of the hotel and they have a weird and fucked up sexual affair. 

It's called The Night Porter and was obv v controversial~ when it came out lol
well shit if this is nt the most historically accurate!!!!!!!!!! 
tbf it's not trying to be historically accurate. The relationship is just basically a stand in for a bigger ethical question surrounding bdsm, perverse sexuality and fascism. A bit like Salo. 
im ready to kms
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Koolaid wrote:
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tbh if its a historical series imo it should have a historical accuracy purpose
but it also heavily depends on the series itself
idk if you watched Anne with an E, but this series actually depicts everything quite well, esp the 2nd season with the black slums and how ppl behaved towards black ppl - so even tho the story didnt primarily revolve around historical events, they still managed to not make it seem like everyone was equal and everyone was happy yk
not necessarily, some are docudrama's which are supposed to be more realistic, but they are still dramatized. but sometimes ppl watch movies/series to just enjoy them, and maybe see a fantasy version of it. that's quite literally the purpose of a movie: escapism. people don't want to be reminded of the bad stuff.

so yeah, again, artistic liberty. it literally depends on the creator and the message they want to send.
idk if it isn't a movie taking place in another world with a whole different history i still dont agree with them beautifying our history
if history isn't the main aspect of the series why would they try to make it seem more beautiful anyway? why not just leave that out entirely? it seems half-assed to me
but overall your opinion is valid too, its just different perspectives =) dont take this personal pls lol im not trying to attack you, i just wanted to state my opinion ,_,
for example in satirical movies, such as jojo rabbit, it's historical but entirely inaccurate. but still fun to watch and sends a message, that's kind of what i mean
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absintjente wrote:
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i find that people who moan about historical accuracy rarely have the historical knowledge and expertise they think they do. claiming that one of the biggest participants of the african slave trade had no black people in the 1800s is an absurd and ahistorical statement.
yeah but picturing black people in the 1800s as wealthy n free people does not make sense, does it
does being the leader of an underground fighting ring sound like wealth to you? 
furthermore, england was one of the first countries to abolish slaves in 1772 with most historians generally agreeing on slavery in pratice being ended in 1800. the colonies, like india and in the carribeans were exempt from this rule. i reccomend The Enlightement by Dorinda Outram on the theme. so black people as free does absolutely make sense : )
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i'm even mad over people speaking english in chernobyl serie or danish girl movie for examples. i know why they are made with english actors but still mad
so yes i want accurate movies and series
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duckgirl wrote:
absintjente wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
absintjente wrote:
i find that people who moan about historical accuracy rarely have the historical knowledge and expertise they think they do. claiming that one of the biggest participants of the african slave trade had no black people in the 1800s is an absurd and ahistorical statement.
yeah but picturing black people in the 1800s as wealthy n free people does not make sense, does it
does being the leader of an underground fighting ring sound like wealth to you? 
furthermore, england was one of the first countries to abolish slaves in 1772 with most historians generally agreeing on slavery in pratice being ended in 1800. the colonies, like india and in the carribeans were exempt from this rule. i reccomend The Enlightement by Dorinda Outram on the theme. so black people as free does absolutely make sense : )
never talked about that but ok
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Persona wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
Persona wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
well shit if this is nt the most historically accurate!!!!!!!!!! 
tbf it's not trying to be historically accurate. The relationship is just basically a stand in for a bigger ethical question surrounding bdsm, perverse sexuality and fascism. A bit like Salo. 
im ready to kms
These types are questions are rly not uncommon in arthouse films. Although it does perhaps go slightly further that most... Better than Nazi sexploitation films tho i guess
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Duckgirl
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duckgirl wrote:
Persona wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
Persona wrote:
tbf it's not trying to be historically accurate. The relationship is just basically a stand in for a bigger ethical question surrounding bdsm, perverse sexuality and fascism. A bit like Salo. 
im ready to kms
These types are questions are rly not uncommon in arthouse films. Although it does perhaps go slightly further that most... Better than Nazi sexploitation films tho i guess
why would.. anyone want to use bdsm + fascism in a movie
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Koolaid wrote:
i think accurate historical dramas are cool

i think inaccurate historical dramas are cool, sometimes theyre great devices for satire or other commentary on society

i think we shouldn't want everything to be accurate/inaccurate because that would make movies/series very boring and it destroys the purpose of art
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Persona wrote:
Persona wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
Persona wrote:
tbf it's not trying to be historically accurate. The relationship is just basically a stand in for a bigger ethical question surrounding bdsm, perverse sexuality and fascism. A bit like Salo. 
im ready to kms
These types are questions are rly not uncommon in arthouse films. Although it does perhaps go slightly further that most... Better than Nazi sexploitation films tho i guess
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_exploitation
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Alam wrote:
kagura wrote:
i'm even mad over people speaking english in chernobyl serie or danish girl movie for examples. i know why they are made with english actors but still mad
so yes i want accurate movies and series
They could at the very least train the actors to speak with a Russian/Danish accent.
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i kinda do value historical accuracy a lot, but i also love seeing diversity so idk i guess it depends
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Pavlov wrote:
absintjente wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
absintjente wrote:
i find that people who moan about historical accuracy rarely have the historical knowledge and expertise they think they do. claiming that one of the biggest participants of the african slave trade had no black people in the 1800s is an absurd and ahistorical statement.
yeah but picturing black people in the 1800s as wealthy n free people does not make sense, does it
does being the leader of an underground fighting ring sound like wealth to you? 
furthermore, england was one of the first countries to abolish slaves in 1772 with most historians generally agreeing on slavery in pratice being ended in 1800. the colonies, like india and in the carribeans were exempt from this rule. i reccomend The Enlightement by Dorinda Outram on the theme. so black people as free does absolutely make sense : )
i dont think it was underground, i dont remember to be honest, my point wasnt that she was black it was more that she was a woman, black was just to underline it
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absintjente wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
absintjente wrote:
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yeah but picturing black people in the 1800s as wealthy n free people does not make sense, does it
does being the leader of an underground fighting ring sound like wealth to you? 
furthermore, england was one of the first countries to abolish slaves in 1772 with most historians generally agreeing on slavery in pratice being ended in 1800. the colonies, like india and in the carribeans were exempt from this rule. i reccomend The Enlightement by Dorinda Outram on the theme. so black people as free does absolutely make sense : )
never talked about that but ok
op used that as an example of diversity being wrongly implemented in a historical context.
but there absolutely were wealthy black people in england. while black immigration slowed down in the 1833, there still were a) people left from the slave trade b) black seamen moving to england.
there were black people wealthy in the context of their black communities in port cities. there were black people wealthy in the context of society otherwise, like pablo franqu, joseph hiller and sara forbes bonetta. even before the 1800s we find francis barber from the famous Somerset case of 1772 who made a phenomenal career in the navy - despite being black.
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Persona wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
Persona wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
im ready to kms
These types are questions are rly not uncommon in arthouse films. Although it does perhaps go slightly further that most... Better than Nazi sexploitation films tho i guess
why would.. anyone want to use bdsm + fascism in a movie
As a commentary and exploration of the similarities and differences between "perverse" sexuality and right wing politics (the ideas of control, freedom, bondage, restriction, discipline, power, rulership, submission, etc etc) 

btw this is not my personal thoughts, just saying the kind of thing theorists/creatives have explored 
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Duckgirl
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duckgirl wrote:
absintjente wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
absintjente wrote:
does being the leader of an underground fighting ring sound like wealth to you? 
furthermore, england was one of the first countries to abolish slaves in 1772 with most historians generally agreeing on slavery in pratice being ended in 1800. the colonies, like india and in the carribeans were exempt from this rule. i reccomend The Enlightement by Dorinda Outram on the theme. so black people as free does absolutely make sense : )
never talked about that but ok
op used that as an example of diversity being wrongly implemented in a historical context.
but there absolutely were wealthy black people in england. while black immigration slowed down in the 1833, there still were a) people left from the slave trade b) black seamen moving to england.
there were black people wealthy in the context of their black communities in port cities. there were black people wealthy in the context of society otherwise, like pablo franqu, joseph hiller and sara forbes bonetta. even before the 1800s we find francis barber from the famous Somerset case of 1772 who made a phenomenal career in the navy - despite being black.
was talking more about despicting how the majority of black people in those times may have lived
i doubt it was the normal thing to see black AND wealthy people
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