Koolaid wrote:Sylvan wrote:Koolaid wrote:x
I think that's an incredible oversimplification,
For a start, many nb people have dysphoria. I do.
Like I agree to an extent as to why someone who has no dysphoria at all (social and physical), likes representing in a way that is 100% conforming with their gab and doesn't mind being called strongly gendered terms that are conforming with their agab 'needs' to call themselves trans and what possible benefit they could have from that label.
But there are many trans people who don't fit in the male/female category. It's hard to have dysphoria and your gab just doesn't fit so you try to squeeze yourself in the other available box but that's not right either and you experience mental distress. Ever since I stopped fitting into those two boxes, I feel better. Bonus level for intersex people who literally have physical attributes of male and female phenotype (or whatever, I'm no biologist) and need to choose one and reject their biology in order to fit into this monstrosity we call binary that human societies grew ever since we settled down and became farmers and populations grew a lot, and we started to exploit the planet.
It would be easy to say 'sex is real, gender is just a social construct, and we should abolish it, facts before feelings'.
The thing is, that's just not what we are. We are defined by our feelings. Now more than ever we are no physical species. We survived because we had empathy with others, we developed myths, art, religion, stories to keep us alive. People outside that binary existed for thousands of years and I think it would be dangerous to oppress something this inherent in humans. This person argues about how it is disrespectful to an 'incredibly oppressed minority' but what good would police trans people and separating them into 'real' and 'fake' trans people do? We had this pathologizing of the trans 'condition' in the past (buffalo bill much) and I just don't think it's the way forward to go back to this.
i can def understand your viewpoint.
'But there are many trans people who don't fit in the male/female category. '
to me the question is, what does feeling like a male or female mean? i also don't feel like a woman. i don't think there is such a thing. because we are socially raised to become woman/man.
'People outside that binary existed for thousands of years and I think it would be dangerous to oppress something this inherent in humans.'
yes that's true, in other cultures across different times, the gender construct has been different. but when i talk about gender only having 2 now (man, woman) i am talking about our (mostly) westernized society. we recognize these genders and assign social expectations of them. women are from venus men are from mars etc. that doesn't happen with other neogenders.
'but what good would police trans people and separating them into 'real' and 'fake' trans people do?'
i def don't agree w policing transness, i also said in a later comment that i would never go up to someone and deny their gender. so i completely agree w u on that. my idea is gender abolition, which in turn also means, any x-gender.
You disregard the physical aspect completely - ironically enough.
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