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Alam
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Alam wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

ouch wrote:
They also ruin it for ppl (even women) that want to b a feminist but don't want to b associated w the man hating shitkids allegedly. Tb to the one person on vp saying u can't b feminist if ur a man like ok

egalitarianism

I mean, it good but the infighting between self identified feminists and self identified egalitarians just takes time away from actual work.

Alam
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Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:

Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:
i mean if they ACTUALLY hate men, like actively spreads hate on men or punish men for being men, sure.

but being critical about gender-norms is an whole other case, as i often think the discussion actually is about,

Yeah totally, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the former, which seems to be surprisingly prevalent, especially in internet circles.

i mean yes. actual manhating exists, i'm not going to deny that.
but form my perspective i don't think the majority hate on men, like the actual humans that happens to be men. but how people phrase it might be understood that way.
like i can say that i hate lesbians™, but i also identify as a lesbian and i don't hate myself
or white people™ and so on.

I don't think it matters, at the end of the day. Intentions are fair and good but what you say will always have more impact than what you mean, you know?

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god this whole discussion about who makes you braindead

Everybody is making me braindead

Heist
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heist wrote:

this is all I have to say about the actual conversation in this thread

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Claire wrote:

ouch wrote:

disintegration wrote:
god this whole discussion about who makes you braindead

Everybody is making me braindead

fryed celles

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ouch wrote:

Claire wrote:

ouch wrote:

disintegration wrote:
god this whole discussion about who makes you braindead

Everybody is making me braindead

fryed celles

Indeed claire

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heist wrote:

this is all I have to say about the actual conversation in this thread

purity contests are stupid

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rottomilko wrote:

Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:

Alam wrote:
Yeah totally, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the former, which seems to be surprisingly prevalent, especially in internet circles.

i mean yes. actual manhating exists, i'm not going to deny that.
but form my perspective i don't think the majority hate on men, like the actual humans that happens to be men. but how people phrase it might be understood that way.
like i can say that i hate lesbians™, but i also identify as a lesbian and i don't hate myself
or white people™ and so on.

I don't think it matters, at the end of the day. Intentions are fair and good but what you say will always have more impact than what you mean, you know?

yes absolutely. like you wouldn't go in front of an elementary school class n say "men r bad" sure.
or raise boys to believe they r bad by nature. you would try to treat all ur pupils as close to the same with their individual needs.

but how is it any better saying "lesbians r almost always hateful" than saying "men r often always ignorant"? ok yes it's an bigger group being targeted, but still.

if u say negative things and don't contribute to the bigger discussion, yes it's hurtful. sure. but all is in the way you phrase it really and if you're actually discussing and issue in a good way.

i think we actually have close to similar opinions, i just don't see or r open to see as much manhating as u.

Alam
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Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:

Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:
i mean yes. actual manhating exists, i'm not going to deny that.
but form my perspective i don't think the majority hate on men, like the actual humans that happens to be men. but how people phrase it might be understood that way.
like i can say that i hate lesbians™, but i also identify as a lesbian and i don't hate myself
or white people™ and so on.

I don't think it matters, at the end of the day. Intentions are fair and good but what you say will always have more impact than what you mean, you know?

yes absolutely. like you wouldn't go in front of an elementary school class n say "men r bad" sure.
or raise boys to believe they r bad by nature. you would try to treat all ur pupils as close to the same with their individual needs.

but how is it any better saying "lesbians r almost always hateful" than saying "men r often always ignorant"? ok yes it's an bigger group being targeted, but still.

if u say negative things and don't contribute to the bigger discussion, yes it's hurtful. sure. but all is in the way you phrase it really and if you're actually discussing and issue in a good way.

i think we actually have close to similar opinions, i just don't see or r open to see as much manhating as u.

I never said lesbians were almost always hateful, I said that the lesbian community has been hateful in my experience.

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Claire wrote:

Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:

Alam wrote:
I don't think it matters, at the end of the day. Intentions are fair and good but what you say will always have more impact than what you mean, you know?

yes absolutely. like you wouldn't go in front of an elementary school class n say "men r bad" sure.
or raise boys to believe they r bad by nature. you would try to treat all ur pupils as close to the same with their individual needs.

but how is it any better saying "lesbians r almost always hateful" than saying "men r often always ignorant"? ok yes it's an bigger group being targeted, but still.

if u say negative things and don't contribute to the bigger discussion, yes it's hurtful. sure. but all is in the way you phrase it really and if you're actually discussing and issue in a good way.

i think we actually have close to similar opinions, i just don't see or r open to see as much manhating as u.

I never said lesbians were almost always hateful, I said that the lesbian community has been hateful in my experience.

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rottomilko wrote:

Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:

Alam wrote:
Lesbians as a community used to be and honestly are still so prejudiced, it bad.

ye. i feel like all closed up communities r like that.. often gatekeepy

I don't know, something about lesbians, especially butch lesbians. With gays they're often very ignorant but willing to learn, but with lesbians they're often almost... Hateful? You know? Major generalisation but this is my experience.

u didn't?

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WindowLicker wrote:

Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:

Alam wrote:
I don't think it matters, at the end of the day. Intentions are fair and good but what you say will always have more impact than what you mean, you know?

yes absolutely. like you wouldn't go in front of an elementary school class n say "men r bad" sure.
or raise boys to believe they r bad by nature. you would try to treat all ur pupils as close to the same with their individual needs.

but how is it any better saying "lesbians r almost always hateful" than saying "men r often always ignorant"? ok yes it's an bigger group being targeted, but still.

if u say negative things and don't contribute to the bigger discussion, yes it's hurtful. sure. but all is in the way you phrase it really and if you're actually discussing and issue in a good way.

i think we actually have close to similar opinions, i just don't see or r open to see as much manhating as u.

I never said lesbians were almost always hateful, I said that the lesbian community has been hateful in my experience.

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rottomilko wrote:
a lil bit difference but yes
i did misquote

just trying to compare how we talk about things and how they can be perceived

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Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:

Alam wrote:
I don't think it matters, at the end of the day. Intentions are fair and good but what you say will always have more impact than what you mean, you know?

yes absolutely. like you wouldn't go in front of an elementary school class n say "men r bad" sure.
or raise boys to believe they r bad by nature. you would try to treat all ur pupils as close to the same with their individual needs.

but how is it any better saying "lesbians r almost always hateful" than saying "men r often always ignorant"? ok yes it's an bigger group being targeted, but still.

if u say negative things and don't contribute to the bigger discussion, yes it's hurtful. sure. but all is in the way you phrase it really and if you're actually discussing and issue in a good way.

i think we actually have close to similar opinions, i just don't see or r open to see as much manhating as u.

I never said lesbians were almost always hateful, I said that the lesbian community has been hateful in my experience.

sadly the hateful ones are always screaming the loudest, especially the very very small percentage of lesbians who are terfs, like there have been polls and stuff and the overwhelming majority of lesbians doesn't agree with that hateful ideology.

Alam
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Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:

Alam wrote:

Melk wrote:
ye. i feel like all closed up communities r like that.. often gatekeepy

I don't know, something about lesbians, especially butch lesbians. With gays they're often very ignorant but willing to learn, but with lesbians they're often almost... Hateful? You know? Major generalisation but this is my experience.

u didn't?

I didn't.