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OH wait do you mean that those who are ACAB don't see how bad it would be without or something?

yeah because they don't see how much violence actually happens to women if there isn't a threat of consequence to the actions men do to women.
i've had friends who got beaten nearly to death by their bfs and only w the threat of prison time was enough to get it stop.

This is terrifying holy shit

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SimCityPoliceStation wrote:

acidreflux wrote:

SimCityPoliceStation wrote:
OH wait do you mean that those who are ACAB don't see how bad it would be without or something?

yeah because they don't see how much violence actually happens to women if there isn't a threat of consequence to the actions men do to women.
i've had friends who got beaten nearly to death by their bfs and only w the threat of prison time was enough to get it stop.

This is terrifying holy shit

my own sister had to get a restraining order to get her ex bf to stop stalking her and now she has ptsd.
a female cop was the only one that truly helped her.

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SimCityPoliceStation wrote:
The thing is that I'd go all fucking ACAB if I lived in a place like the US but not here so it depends where in the world we're talking about. American police is horrifyingly bad

yep but also applying american-centric policies and discourse as the universal truth to the rest of the world, only disinfranchises people who actually need protection.

True true! I really like the police here and although I'm sure there are probably instances where they've been unfair it's in my knowledge minimal compared to the rest of the world

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You disregard the physical aspect completely - ironically enough.
Like I'm assuming you are cis, so of course it is a feeling you don't have a reference for, that is completely fine. Dysphoria goes beyond not fitting in gender roles and dysphoria goes beyond the binary.

We can't do a useful thought experiment with a society that has no gender roles, where sex doesn't matter except when it comes to mating, because we have no idea where to stop, this binary is everywhere in everything we do (it is intertwined with capitalism which kind of replaced religion as a patriarchal structure that rules over the world). A danger of that would be to fall into biological essentialism, which then would reinforce the binary again. We are not animals and we can't just disregard the 'feelings' component.

I'm not sure if you can be against policing something and at the same time long for a society where they don't exist.

yes i'm cis so i'm not gonna pretend i know what dysphoria feels like. i also understand, from dysphoria amongst trans people, that it's more than stereotypes.

i also don't believe we can completely erase gender roles either. the most i can wish for is that they were less of a big deal.

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acidreflux wrote:

SimCityPoliceStation wrote:

acidreflux wrote:
yeah because they don't see how much violence actually happens to women if there isn't a threat of consequence to the actions men do to women.
i've had friends who got beaten nearly to death by their bfs and only w the threat of prison time was enough to get it stop.

This is terrifying holy shit

my own sister had to get a restraining order to get her ex bf to stop stalking her and now she has ptsd.
a female cop was the only one that truly helped her.

I'm so sorry to hear that :-( Really happy she got out of that situation and I hope she doesn't have to deal woth that again!

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SimCityPoliceStation wrote:

acidreflux wrote:

SimCityPoliceStation wrote:
This is terrifying holy shit

my own sister had to get a restraining order to get her ex bf to stop stalking her and now she has ptsd.
a female cop was the only one that truly helped her.

I'm so sorry to hear that :-( Really happy she got out of that situation and I hope she doesn't have to deal woth that again!

half of my family is either in law enforcement or health care services, so he quickly realised he should back off.

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Lemon wrote:

acidreflux wrote:

SimCityPoliceStation wrote:
OH wait do you mean that those who are ACAB don't see how bad it would be without or something?

yeah because they don't see how much violence actually happens to women if there isn't a threat of consequence to the actions men do to women.
i've had friends who got beaten nearly to death by their bfs and only w the threat of prison time was enough to get it stop.

well in turkey nearly everyday a woman is killed and with the massive amount of money flooding into police forces, none of the men are stopped by police. they are released after a talk or two. no consequences. i dont think the justice can be grasped through police force, laws must be enforced for men to have consequences
meanwhile in turkey: armored police cars are bulldozing over students in universities just bc the students do not want a rector that is sent by the government without an election done

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Lemon wrote:

acidreflux wrote:

SimCityPoliceStation wrote:
OH wait do you mean that those who are ACAB don't see how bad it would be without or something?

yeah because they don't see how much violence actually happens to women if there isn't a threat of consequence to the actions men do to women.
i've had friends who got beaten nearly to death by their bfs and only w the threat of prison time was enough to get it stop.

well in turkey nearly everyday a woman is killed and with the massive amount of money flooding into police forces, none of the men are stopped by police. they are released after a talk or two. no consequences. i dont think the justice can be grasped through police force, laws must be enforced for men to have consequences
meanwhile in turkey: armored police cars are bulldozing over students in universities just bc the students do not want a rector that is sent by the government without an election done

i've talked abt my perspectives
that doesn't mean i'm not aware of the literal horrors that's happening elsewhere.

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Lemon wrote:

acidreflux wrote:

Lemon wrote:

acidreflux wrote:
yeah because they don't see how much violence actually happens to women if there isn't a threat of consequence to the actions men do to women.
i've had friends who got beaten nearly to death by their bfs and only w the threat of prison time was enough to get it stop.

well in turkey nearly everyday a woman is killed and with the massive amount of money flooding into police forces, none of the men are stopped by police. they are released after a talk or two. no consequences. i dont think the justice can be grasped through police force, laws must be enforced for men to have consequences
meanwhile in turkey: armored police cars are bulldozing over students in universities just bc the students do not want a rector that is sent by the government without an election done

i've talked abt my perspectives
that doesn't mean i'm not aware of the literal horrors that's happening elsewhere.

i did not say that, i just stated that without good laws and justice system police force enforcement is just a tool for government to oppress the folk

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acidreflux wrote:

SimCityPoliceStation wrote:

acidreflux wrote:
my own sister had to get a restraining order to get her ex bf to stop stalking her and now she has ptsd.
a female cop was the only one that truly helped her.

I'm so sorry to hear that :-( Really happy she got out of that situation and I hope she doesn't have to deal woth that again!

half of my family is either in law enforcement or health care services, so he quickly realised he should back off.

Good!!

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hungover wrote:
Genuine question,

Acab isn't about every cop as an individual, it's about how truly rotten and corrupt the police force is. How can you disagree with that?

apologies if you've answered this before!

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Koolaid wrote:

hungover wrote:
Genuine question,

Acab isn't about every cop as an individual, it's about how truly rotten and corrupt the police force is. How can you disagree with that?

apologies if you've answered this before!

i dont agree with acab and "____ all men": i think those statements are inflammatory and counterproductive. if all men, then also all women, because we ALL exist under the patriarchy and are influenced by it.

radicalists want police abolition but that's never gonna happen. and we need to settle for compromise. ACAB relays no desire for any sort of compromise. also we need more black people as police, but this way black ppl are shamed out of taking it as a job bc of sentiments like this. which only excarcebates the issue of racism that we want to solve.

i understand the intention of acab, but intention often gets misrepresented. when blm was at its height there was very much the sentiment that if u want to be a cop, regardless of ur race/gender, ur a bad person. as a result, it drives marginalized ppl out of a career that very much needs marginalized ppl

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hungover wrote:
Also, I somewhat agree with your point about asexuality / aromantic people.

If they're cis, asexual and heteroromantic, they're not LGBTQ+ however, if they're asexual and bi/homoromantic, they're of course queer. Does that make sense? I'm a bit tired, sorry.

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Koolaid wrote:

hungover wrote:
Also, I somewhat agree with your point about asexuality / aromantic people.

If they're cis, asexual and heteroromantic, they're not LGBTQ+ however, if they're asexual and bi/homoromantic, they're of course queer. Does that make sense? I'm a bit tired, sorry.

i can get behind that in a sense, but i also don't feel too strongly either way about x-romantic sexualities.

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hungover wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

hungover wrote:
Genuine question,

Acab isn't about every cop as an individual, it's about how truly rotten and corrupt the police force is. How can you disagree with that?

apologies if you've answered this before!

@hungover i dont agree with acab and "____ all men": i think those statements are inflammatory and counterproductive. if all men, then also all women, because we ALL exist under the patriarchy and are influenced by it.

radicalists want police abolition but that's never gonna happen. and we need to settle for compromise. ACAB relays no desire for any sort of compromise. also we need more black people as police, but this way black ppl are shamed out of taking it as a job bc of sentiments like this. which only excarcebates the issue of racism that we want to solve.

i understand the intention of acab, but intention often gets misrepresented. when blm was at its height there was very much the sentiment that if u want to be a cop, regardless of ur race/gender, ur a bad person. as a result, it drives marginalized ppl out of a career that very much needs marginalized ppl

The intention does get misused, I agree.
I personally believe good people can become cops with pure intentions, but the profession will corrupt them over time, it's an unbalanced power structure that I don't agree with, no one should have more power than someone else ; Steven who's a cop shouldn't have more rights than Frank who works at the kiosk, at least that's what I believe.