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genders for people with mental illnesses etc
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they don't harm anyone with that and most of these are not meant serious but as a joke

can imagine it being upsetting to those who have those mental illnesses to have their symtoms being called a gender
as someone who is personally affected by depression, anxiety and panic attacks,  (i can only speak for myself) it doesn't offend me and i have never heard of someone who unironically thinks their gender is a mental illness tbh
Date: 10-10-2017 21:40
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as long as they themselves do have said mental illness i think it's okay?
no i think that it's not for them. i mean it doesnt hurt anyone else, but its a profound misunderstanding of what 'gender' is.

gender is identity, right? it's not good to consider you mental illness as identity, one should always work toward managing their symptoms. mental illness is not gender and if you think your mental illness is gender, maybe you're not going to get the help that you need.

but mental illness is a big part of some people's identity and 'getting help' isn't really as easy as it seems? there isn't always the perfect medication for it and therapy can help, but often times it doesn't. You don't heal mental illnesses, you learn to live with them and how to cope with the symptoms.
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Date: 10-10-2017 21:41
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Claire wrote:
disintegration wrote:
DeathInThePark wrote:
disintegration wrote:
they don't harm anyone with that and most of these are not meant serious but as a joke

can imagine it being upsetting to those who have those mental illnesses to have their symtoms being called a gender
as someone who is personally affected by depression, anxiety and panic attacks,  (i can only speak for myself) it doesn't offend me and i have never heard of someone who unironically thinks their gender is a mental illness tbh
isnt it kind of offensive to trans people too though? like appropriating their struggle?
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Date: 10-10-2017 21:41
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Claire wrote:
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disintegration wrote:
Claire wrote:
no i think that it's not for them. i mean it doesnt hurt anyone else, but its a profound misunderstanding of what 'gender' is.

gender is identity, right? it's not good to consider you mental illness as identity, one should always work toward managing their symptoms. mental illness is not gender and if you think your mental illness is gender, maybe you're not going to get the help that you need.

but mental illness is a big part of some people's identity and 'getting help' isn't really as easy as it seems? there isn't always the perfect medication for it and therapy can help, but often times it doesn't. You don't heal mental illnesses, you learn to live with them and how to cope with the symptoms.
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In a negative sense, "enabling" can describe dysfunctional behavior approaches that are intended to help resolve a specific problem but in fact may perpetuate or exacerbate the problem. A common theme of enabling in this latter sense is that third parties take responsibility or blame, or make accommodations for a person's harmful conduct (often with the best of intentions, or from fear or insecurity which inhibits action). The practical effect is that the person himself or herself does not have to do so, and is shielded from awareness of the harm it may do, and the need or pressure to change.
this is very much my concern here. 
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Date: 10-10-2017 21:42
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Claire wrote:
disintegration wrote:
Claire wrote:
no i think that it's not for them. i mean it doesnt hurt anyone else, but its a profound misunderstanding of what 'gender' is.

gender is identity, right? it's not good to consider you mental illness as identity, one should always work toward managing their symptoms. mental illness is not gender and if you think your mental illness is gender, maybe you're not going to get the help that you need.

but mental illness is a big part of some people's identity and 'getting help' isn't really as easy as it seems? there isn't always the perfect medication for it and therapy can help, but often times it doesn't. You don't heal mental illnesses, you learn to live with them and how to cope with the symptoms.
yea thats what i'm saying, you learn to cope. you don't say 'this is my gender'
 if you think your mental illness is gender, then you don't know what the word gender even means. 

i find this all very offensive.
in the example in the first post here, the person didn't even say, that their gender is bordergender, they said, that they don't know their gender for sure due mental illnesses, that gravely affect the personality and that's why they call themselves that? as far as i understood
Date: 10-10-2017 21:43
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if u dont know ur gender then ur questioning or unsure it doesnt mean u have to give ur gender a name based on the reason u think u dont kno ur gender
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Date: 10-10-2017 21:45
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Yoko wrote:
if u dont know ur gender then ur questioning or unsure it doesnt mean u have to give ur gender a name based on the reason u think u dont kno ur gender
i agree
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Date: 10-10-2017 21:46
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if u dont know ur gender then ur questioning or unsure it doesnt mean u have to give ur gender a name based on the reason u think u dont kno ur gender

i don't think it's a great thing to do either, but you can't forbid it anyway, so why get upset about it?

and as i said, no harm is done (and i don't count people being offended, who aren't even in the postition to rightfully be offended as harm)
Date: 10-10-2017 21:51
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Claire wrote:
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Yoko wrote:
if u dont know ur gender then ur questioning or unsure it doesnt mean u have to give ur gender a name based on the reason u think u dont kno ur gender

i don't think it's a great thing to do either, but you can't forbid it anyway, so why get upset about it?

and as i said, no harm is done (and i don't count people being offended, who aren't even in the postition to rightfully be offended as harm)
harm is definately done by misdiagnosis.
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Date: 10-10-2017 21:52
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Date: 10-10-2017 21:52
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Claire wrote:
Claire wrote:
disintegration wrote:
Yoko wrote:
if u dont know ur gender then ur questioning or unsure it doesnt mean u have to give ur gender a name based on the reason u think u dont kno ur gender

i don't think it's a great thing to do either, but you can't forbid it anyway, so why get upset about it?

and as i said, no harm is done (and i don't count people being offended, who aren't even in the postition to rightfully be offended as harm)
harm is definately done by misdiagnosis.
and what do you mean 'no position to be offended'? you don't know who struggles with gender or mental illness, who is the judge of who is allowed to feel offended?
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Date: 10-10-2017 21:53
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Claire wrote:
disintegration wrote:
Yoko wrote:
if u dont know ur gender then ur questioning or unsure it doesnt mean u have to give ur gender a name based on the reason u think u dont kno ur gender

i don't think it's a great thing to do either, but you can't forbid it anyway, so why get upset about it?

and as i said, no harm is done (and i don't count people being offended, who aren't even in the postition to rightfully be offended as harm)
harm is definately done by misdiagnosis.
we weren't even debating if these people are misdiagnosed or not? like that wasn't the point?
Date: 10-10-2017 21:54
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Claire wrote:
Claire wrote:
disintegration wrote:

i don't think it's a great thing to do either, but you can't forbid it anyway, so why get upset about it?

and as i said, no harm is done (and i don't count people being offended, who aren't even in the postition to rightfully be offended as harm)
harm is definately done by misdiagnosis.
and what do you mean 'no position to be offended'? you don't know who struggles with gender or mental illness, who is the judge of who is allowed to feel offended?

someone here who was offended by it spoke about trans people and mentally ill people in third person
Date: 10-10-2017 21:55
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Claire wrote:
disintegration wrote:
Claire wrote:
Claire wrote:
harm is definately done by misdiagnosis.
and what do you mean 'no position to be offended'? you don't know who struggles with gender or mental illness, who is the judge of who is allowed to feel offended?

someone here who was offended by it spoke about trans people and mentally ill people in third person
Not everyone is comfortable revealing their truths. 
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Date: 10-10-2017 21:56
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disintegration wrote:
Claire wrote:
Claire wrote:
harm is definately done by misdiagnosis.
and what do you mean 'no position to be offended'? you don't know who struggles with gender or mental illness, who is the judge of who is allowed to feel offended?

someone here who was offended by it spoke about trans people and mentally ill people in third person
so????? ur not obliged to put a disclaimer that ur mentally ill/trans to be a part of the discussion. thats none of other peoples business unless the person voluntarily makes it their business
Date: 10-10-2017 21:57
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