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FT: Freedom of speech
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Rotte wrote:
I remember hearing since i was young about janteloven, which was always in context of freedom of speech.

It basically the 10 sayings "you are not to think..." that u are better, smart, more worthy than me etc.
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Date: 30-09-2020 22:40
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BloomCissi wrote:
Ella wrote:
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Majority of people who I've seen use the sentence "freedom of speech" use it as an excuse to be an a-hole 
Oh yeah, definitely. What does freedom of speech mean to you?
Personally? don't use it much as how others might

I think yes u should be able to express yourself and your opinion, IF it is not hurtful and it constructive rather than degrading. Which i don't think the sentence really invites u to*.
Yeah, I agree with that. It's interesting how we talk about freedom of speech, but at the same time there are lots of limitations to it (not mainly thinking about hate crime laws and stuff like that, but for example about state secrets and "sensitive information" ).
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Date: 30-09-2020 22:41
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BloomCissi wrote:
Saintal wrote:
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I guess it's, in theory, a good thing. Better than there being no room for debate for sure. Yet I can't help but feeling it would be better if some opinions that only hurt people in their day to day lives would never be expressed.
I don't know where you're from, but in many countries there are hate crime laws that serve as a kind of counterweight to freedom of speech, what are your opinions on that?
I think that they are very important, but since it's very hard to get convicted for them (atleast where I live) I believe they might not be enough? On the other hand, maybe the liberals are right (lol). Maybe the existence of the debate, and everyones ability to call people out as idiots are a good climate for discussion. Maybe it results in lesser "one question parties" who only want to go against the system who might seem corrupt if there isn't freedom of speech like it is today. I don't know. I'm just a phonie.
Yeah no, it's an interesting topic to discuss. From what I have gathered on VP, there's a huge difference between what Americans and Europeans in general put into the term freedom of speech, with Americans being a lot more "liberal".
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Date: 30-09-2020 22:43
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BloomCissi wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Freedom of speech is legit one of those things that has gotten out of hand like the intended idea behind it was not like yes please do use the media platforms to discuss how emotionally devastating it was for you to discover that your favourite brand has stopped producing one of your favourite products because it wasn't popular enough to survive in the capitalistic business model 
Hahaha, omg. Seriously though, stuff like that isn't exactly harmful (whether you like it or not...), so I at least wouldn't be able to justify banning something like that.
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Date: 30-09-2020 22:48
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wug wrote:
BloomCissi wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Freedom of speech is legit one of those things that has gotten out of hand like the intended idea behind it was not like yes please do use the media platforms to discuss how emotionally devastating it was for you to discover that your favourite brand has stopped producing one of your favourite products because it wasn't popular enough to survive in the capitalistic business model 
Hahaha, omg. Seriously though, stuff like that isn't exactly harmful (whether you like it or not...), so I at least wouldn't be able to justify banning something like that.
It's unnecessary tho like keep that shit on your blog honestly allegedly 
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Date: 30-09-2020 22:49
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BloomCissi wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
BloomCissi wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Freedom of speech is legit one of those things that has gotten out of hand like the intended idea behind it was not like yes please do use the media platforms to discuss how emotionally devastating it was for you to discover that your favourite brand has stopped producing one of your favourite products because it wasn't popular enough to survive in the capitalistic business model 
Hahaha, omg. Seriously though, stuff like that isn't exactly harmful (whether you like it or not...), so I at least wouldn't be able to justify banning something like that.
It's unnecessary tho like keep that shit on your blog honestly allegedly 
#bansocialmedia
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Date: 30-09-2020 22:50
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wug wrote:
BloomCissi wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
BloomCissi wrote:
Hahaha, omg. Seriously though, stuff like that isn't exactly harmful (whether you like it or not...), so I at least wouldn't be able to justify banning something like that.
It's unnecessary tho like keep that shit on your blog honestly allegedly 
#bansocialmedia
When I was doing the survey they asked where you express yourself and I don't do it on social media because I'm not an attention whore seeking spotlight on literally any opinion, but I do to a very significant degree here, but this isn't social media
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Date: 30-09-2020 22:51
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Imani wrote:
One of the reasons why I would never leave America permanently.  
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Date: 30-09-2020 22:53
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BloomCissi wrote:
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Also, I recently answered a survey which will be used for a survey and the data will be stored for 50 years and they'll have follow up surveys to see how our opinions regarding the topic (freedom of speech) evolve over time (allegedly) and yeah.. 
They had modified a legit shared thing from a discussion to being about sami people and the thing stated there was just so incredibly wild and horrible I was like yeah freedom of speech is not it if it's okay saying things like that. 
I've read the actual statement too and it's just.. bad on all possible levels. 
I mean, this is exactly what happens when you have freedom of speech, which is why I don't agree with it.
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BloomCissi wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
BloomCissi wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
It's unnecessary tho like keep that shit on your blog honestly allegedly 
#bansocialmedia
When I was doing the survey they asked where you express yourself and I don't do it on social media because I'm not an attention whore seeking spotlight on literally any opinion, but I do to a very significant degree here, but this isn't social media
I mean, I don't even use social media (no, Discord is not social media...) so the only place I would ever share opinions is here. 
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Date: 30-09-2020 22:54
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Evey wrote:
BloomCissi wrote:
Saintal wrote:
BloomCissi wrote:
I don't know where you're from, but in many countries there are hate crime laws that serve as a kind of counterweight to freedom of speech, what are your opinions on that?
I think that they are very important, but since it's very hard to get convicted for them (atleast where I live) I believe they might not be enough? On the other hand, maybe the liberals are right (lol). Maybe the existence of the debate, and everyones ability to call people out as idiots are a good climate for discussion. Maybe it results in lesser "one question parties" who only want to go against the system who might seem corrupt if there isn't freedom of speech like it is today. I don't know. I'm just a phonie.
Yeah no, it's an interesting topic to discuss. From what I have gathered on VP, there's a huge difference between what Americans and Europeans in general put into the term freedom of speech, with Americans being a lot more "liberal".
Hmm yeah, makes sense! THe idea of the state interfering with things in gerenal and weather it's liked or not really seems to differ depending on a countrys history aswell. Weather a country has tried to have a state with more control and weather they failed or succeeded aswell...
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BloomCissi wrote:
Referee wrote:
One of the reasons why I would never leave America permanently.  
Oh, could you elaborate on that?
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callum wrote:
ok but seriously ill say this

we have free speech n we have free will

if i choose to rob a bank, that's my free choice to make but doesnt mean it will go without consequences 
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Date: 30-09-2020 23:02
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Everyone should b able to say stuff unless they r retarded (not in opinions but in way of reasoning, like I don't care abt bad opinions as long as the reasoning can make sense) and this means everything even racism n stuff ig as long as its not targeted at a specific  person 
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BloomCissi wrote:
callum wrote:
ok but seriously ill say this

we have free speech n we have free will

if i choose to rob a bank, that's my free choice to make but doesnt mean it will go without consequences 
Hmm yeah, I guess you could see it like that. 

It's just, we don't actually have freedom of speech, if it is defined as "saying whatever you want without consequences", since there are certain things (not just hate speech) that are illegal, so I don't know if freedom of speech is even a valid concept.
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