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Obliviate
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Obliviate wrote:
Tezzica wrote:
Obliviate wrote:
Tezzica wrote:
This is the same issue that was with the first document before the second document was even made. It was shared and brought to here. There was even a forum made on here to discuss the document along with users who have witnessed it themselves.

@Obliviate The screenshots were removed per request even though the same decency wasn't given to specific moderators. We were asked to bring our side of the situation to everyone. Thus included screenshots to provided "proof" of those discussions because some moderators words have been argued about or taken out of context. 
If this theoretically (idk how it's spelled) was a member and not a mod wouldn't this end up with an warning or smth?
While when a mod does this the text only get changed?
@Tezzica  ica 
Theoretically, if the member was asked to explain their whole side of the story to people that nag them every day in regards to their behavior and not taking the bigger picture but still get attacked consistently for not providing evidence then it can contradict itself easily for whether the person would receive a warning or timeout or a message in regards to it. 
Please just answer me simply, if it were to be a regular member who called someone out would if or would it not lead to a punishment?
I mean, she have the right to show her proof and such but without calling someone out with their name which was unnecissary.
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Date: 13-04-2017 01:41
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@Shadowjess why not post the document (with screenshots removed for privacy reasons) so that users here can make their own judgement? right now we're only getting the mod's version of the story (which many users, for good reason, do not trust), and the mods are constantly referencing said document as a source 

it would give context to the users, and allow mods and users to have better communication
Date: 13-04-2017 01:43
Grim
National Star



Grim wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
@Shadowjess why not post the document (with screenshots removed for privacy reasons) so that users here can make their own judgement? right now we're only getting the mod's version of the story (which many users, for good reason, do not trust), and the mods are constantly referencing said document as a source 

it would give context to the users, and allow mods and users to have better communication

I actually was thinking the same thing. A lot of the mods remarks in the OP seem to be referencing behavior in the document, but since apparently nobody has seen it but Solitude and the few folks who helped her, a lot of this thread and the OP is pretty contextless and  confusing :c
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Date: 13-04-2017 01:45
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wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
Tezzica wrote:
Wheatley wrote:

"handed out to users" it was only given to the users that helped compile the document, and nobody else. all users involved are either banned or quit on their own terms, so i still fail to see where the issue is.
This is the same issue that was with the first document before the second document was even made. It was shared and brought to here. There was even a forum made on here to discuss the document along with users who have witnessed it themselves.

@Obliviate  iate The screenshots were removed per request even though the same decency wasn't given to specific moderators. We were asked to bring our side of the situation to everyone. Thus included screenshots to provided "proof" of those discussions because some moderators words have been argued about or taken out of context. 
wait so there was a first document and you still ignored the problems????? if the first document was never addressed then why did you not expect there to be a second one

(also if the first document was "shared and brought to here" then how come literally no users other than the ones that contributed to it know what was in it?)
The "problems" were constantly brought in discussion. We've reached out numerous times. The first document was already handled with and made by a singular person which lead into the second document. The document was shared to a select few that shared it to others. If you bring the drama here we are required to address it. 
Date: 13-04-2017 01:49
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wrote:
Obliviate wrote:
Tezzica wrote:
Obliviate wrote:
If this theoretically (idk how it's spelled) was a member and not a mod wouldn't this end up with an warning or smth?
While when a mod does this the text only get changed?
@Tezzica  ica 
Theoretically, if the member was asked to explain their whole side of the story to people that nag them every day in regards to their behavior and not taking the bigger picture but still get attacked consistently for not providing evidence then it can contradict itself easily for whether the person would receive a warning or timeout or a message in regards to it. 
Please just answer me simply, if it were to be a regular member who called someone out would if or would it not lead to a punishment?
I mean, she have the right to show her proof and such but without calling someone out with their name which was unnecissary.
It can't be answered simply because there are other conditions that are involved in a warning, timeout or message about it. However if all other conditions that play into the issue were removed then it could be a warning depending on their account history. 
Date: 13-04-2017 01:50
MissLondon
Queen of Queens



MissLondon wrote:
Man, this whole thing is hypocritical and comical.
People get explanations that they've asked for and still aren't satisfied. 
Now it's moved on to "show documents" and opportunities to defend themselves lol
I'm over this clusterfuck.
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Date: 13-04-2017 01:53
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wrote:
Tezzica wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
Tezzica wrote:
This is the same issue that was with the first document before the second document was even made. It was shared and brought to here. There was even a forum made on here to discuss the document along with users who have witnessed it themselves.

@Obliviate  iate The screenshots were removed per request even though the same decency wasn't given to specific moderators. We were asked to bring our side of the situation to everyone. Thus included screenshots to provided "proof" of those discussions because some moderators words have been argued about or taken out of context. 
wait so there was a first document and you still ignored the problems????? if the first document was never addressed then why did you not expect there to be a second one

(also if the first document was "shared and brought to here" then how come literally no users other than the ones that contributed to it know what was in it?)
The "problems" were constantly brought in discussion. We've reached out numerous times. The first document was already handled with and made by a singular person which lead into the second document. The document was shared to a select few that shared it to others. If you bring the drama here we are required to address it.

the thing is, there was no drama until the mods banned solitude

she tried her hardest to keep the document private, making sure that she kept it either in private messages or on kik, even refusing to let @Claire see it because she wanted to keep it quiet and professional 

and if the issue with the document was that it was a "burn book" then i'd like to know what this thread is meant to be lmao
Date: 13-04-2017 01:54 | Times changed: 1
Obliviate
Queen of Pop



Obliviate wrote:
Tezzica wrote:
Obliviate wrote:
Tezzica wrote:
Theoretically, if the member was asked to explain their whole side of the story to people that nag them every day in regards to their behavior and not taking the bigger picture but still get attacked consistently for not providing evidence then it can contradict itself easily for whether the person would receive a warning or timeout or a message in regards to it. 
Please just answer me simply, if it were to be a regular member who called someone out would if or would it not lead to a punishment?
I mean, she have the right to show her proof and such but without calling someone out with their name which was unnecissary.
It can't be answered simply because there are other conditions that are involved in a warning, timeout or message about it. However if all other conditions that play into the issue were removed then it could be a warning depending on their account history.
One of the things I want to happen is equality between members and mods, I do get a feeling like you mods are sometimes "above the law" like this example. How should I feel confortable if a mod gives me a warning about something they can't follow either and they didn't even get punished?
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Date: 13-04-2017 01:59
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wrote:
Obliviate wrote:
Tezzica wrote:
Obliviate wrote:
Please just answer me simply, if it were to be a regular member who called someone out would if or would it not lead to a punishment?
I mean, she have the right to show her proof and such but without calling someone out with their name which was unnecissary.
It can't be answered simply because there are other conditions that are involved in a warning, timeout or message about it. However if all other conditions that play into the issue were removed then it could be a warning depending on their account history.
One of the things I want to happen is equality between members and mods, I do get a feeling like you mods are sometimes "above the law" like this example. How should I feel confortable if a mod gives me a warning about something they can't follow either and they didn't even get punished?
Date: 13-04-2017 01:59
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wrote:
Polaris wrote:
legohouse wrote:
Polaris wrote:
I've never said I can't get on with them. I've spoken to Sarah and told her I have hope for the mods. 
Can't go into everything I talked about with Sarah cause... many ... many MANY paragraphs but. 

We need more communication from the mods. This may be a beginning - but we need responsibility to be taken somewhere. 

(I can also feel myself making less sense as I'm tired.. as my sister likes to keep pointing out) 
What kind communication would you like to see? More posts in the community? 
@Photosynthesis  (Hi Sarah, if you haven't seen, it's Lydia (Quinzelle)

Sarah holds everything I told her on Kik from when she asked me what I would like to see from the mods. 
Communication within the community is one, yes. 
It was proven that when the mods were more involved and sharing interests etc. that the community began to warm up to you guys - such as with Hypoxic a few weeks ago when she got involved in RPDR forums. 

It's hard to trust and respect people you know nothing about. It's why nobody comes to you with their problems - they feel like they'll get ignored because there's no trust there. 
As long as I have your permission I can share our conversation with the mods. Just tag me when/if you see this as I'm a little preoccupied at the moment (not to mention soooo behind in this chat) 
Date: 13-04-2017 02:13
Obliviate
Queen of Pop



Obliviate wrote:
Obliviate wrote:
Tezzica wrote:
Obliviate wrote:
Please just answer me simply, if it were to be a regular member who called someone out would if or would it not lead to a punishment?
I mean, she have the right to show her proof and such but without calling someone out with their name which was unnecissary.
It can't be answered simply because there are other conditions that are involved in a warning, timeout or message about it. However if all other conditions that play into the issue were removed then it could be a warning depending on their account history.
One of the things I want to happen is equality between members and mods, I do get a feeling like you mods are sometimes "above the law" like this example. How should I feel confortable if a mod gives me a warning about something they can't follow either and they didn't even get punished?
@Tezzica 
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Date: 13-04-2017 02:16
Biji
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biji wrote:
Muraa wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
Eslem wrote:
Mods are hypocrites really
When Ali got banned everything people wrote got deleted and the reason was that she couldn't defend herself.

Guess you guys care more about Ali then me. Call it whatever you want but I'm not okay with this, I'm not olay with private convos being show when I can't defend myself. the proof you have are so out of place too. I want everything about me to be removed if I am not allowed to defend myself.
I got way more proxies and accounts I can use and I will continue until everything gets removed
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CALL ME OUT IN PUBLIC WITHOUT GIVING ME A CHANCE TO DEFEND MYSELF
MIND YOU I AM PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON INCLUDED IN THIS ENTIRE SHIT THAT HAS GIVEN THE MODS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVED BEFORE I WAS SPILLING EVERYTHING. I WAS NEVER GIVEN TBIS CHANCE
SNAAAAATCH THEIR ASSES YAAAAAAS hunty slaay :* 
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Date: 13-04-2017 02:18
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last thing i'm gonna say because this is obviously not going to go anywhere anytime soon

what rule did solitude break that the mods are not breaking right now by making this thread? shadowjess' response is the only one so far that references the incident without citing the document, making sure that the users are given a clear answer without using information that they aren't barred from seeing, while the rest rely on throwing "an unnamed smt member" and "a former admin" under the bus to make themselves look like the victim. If we're going to share screenshots and make callouts, at least unban Solitude since the rules banning those before apparently aren't in place anymore.
Date: 13-04-2017 02:21
Obliviate
Queen of Pop



Obliviate wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
last thing i'm gonna say because this is obviously not going to go anywhere anytime soon

what rule did solitude break that the mods are not breaking right now by making this thread? shadowjess' response is the only one so far that references the incident without citing the document, making sure that the users are given a clear answer without using information that they aren't barred from seeing, while the rest rely on throwing "an unnamed smt member" and "a former admin" under the bus to make themselves look like the victim. If we're going to share screenshots and make callouts, at least unban Solitude since the rules banning those before apparently aren't in place anymore.
When solitude don't really trashtalks mods but arguments in a critic way or smth (idk I'm tired), which is very bad because mods are above all others
Mods trashtalk others, meeeeh  
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Date: 13-04-2017 02:25 | Times changed: 2
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also i feel like if @Chandelier is going to even begin discussing the document, she needs to read it 

right now she's just talking about how she got bullied by the other team members, which (while i do feel bad about that happening to her) is not relevent to the situation at all
Date: 13-04-2017 02:28
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