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Wisteria
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Wisteria wrote:
why are y'all like this lmao
it is a religious symbol, among other things

now that u know that, why is there still an issue. if u dont like it sell the item or smthin
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:48
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Nama wrote:
Elisabeth wrote:
Harness wrote:
noone called solovey out ok we re just saying it makes us feel uncomfortable due to a historical background. if you shes freaking out cause of that its not my problem
Tbh I don't think Americans should complain because WW II wasn't even in America. But anyway like I said the symbols differ due to the 45 degree rotation that the Nazis used. So they might look alike, but you can't deny everything that looks like something you feel negative towards.

"ww2 wasnt even in america" uhm ok but lots of americans suffered and they were involved in the war. sure it wasnt on mainland america but it did affect the american people
ok v grateful for saving us :tongue:
Date: 14-03-2017 17:49
TheWayfaringStranger
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TheWayfaringStranger wrote:
vig wrote:
Elayne wrote:
vig wrote:
She did use the Ohm on the forehead. Is is just as sacred as the other. It might be cringeworthy to you, but it's very important in my culture. It was taken advantage of during that time in history, therefore people misinterpret it's true meaning.
(i just want to say that i totally respect that; it's just not something it would feel right for me, a white european (culturally) christian, to use)
It's understandable that it can make people uncomfortable. But you have to take into consideration of how it was used before the holocaust. I'm trying to explain confusion, so sorry if I came out a little harsh. People should expand their horizons instead of just basing a symbol on one specific event (as Op did) if she had looked into it, she would see it's meant for peace and for other special occasions. I know I've marked the Swastik on auspicious occasions such as a new house/new car/wedding ceremonies before in my life. So depending on how much you are exposed to other cultures, yes people can assume it is bad, but there is more to it than that :')

You have a really good point, but unfortunately not everyone thinks to look into things that way. That's a critical thinking skill that you don't even learn about in the u.s. until you enter college/university (when you're about 18, usually), and even then it's a hard skill to learn. 

Anyway, I honestly didn't even think to look into to it, so thanks for pointing it out. I really appreciate you pointing out it's importance in your culture, and I'm sorry that the Nazi regime used it in a bad/mean way. 
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:49
Yellmi
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yellmi wrote:
Harness wrote:
yellmi wrote:
Harness wrote:
calm down girl
shes right tho
noone called solovey out ok we re just saying it makes us feel uncomfortable due to a historical background. if you shes freaking out cause of that its not my problem
what are you even saying now. its you guys making a rise out of how youre uncomfortable, so idk what you mean about who freaking out?
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:49
Private
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Nama wrote:
Elisabeth wrote:
Nama wrote:
Elisabeth wrote:
Tbh I don't think Americans should complain because WW II wasn't even in America. But anyway like I said the symbols differ due to the 45 degree rotation that the Nazis used. So they might look alike, but you can't deny everything that looks like something you feel negative towards.

"ww2 wasnt even in america" uhm ok but lots of americans suffered and they were involved in the war. sure it wasnt on mainland america but it did affect the american people
ok v grateful for saving us

that makes like zero sense what r u tryna say. i just said americans were affected as well and your response seems a bit OT
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:49
TheWayfaringStranger
Queen of Queens



TheWayfaringStranger wrote:
Nama wrote:
Elisabeth wrote:
Harness wrote:
noone called solovey out ok we re just saying it makes us feel uncomfortable due to a historical background. if you shes freaking out cause of that its not my problem
Tbh I don't think Americans should complain because WW II wasn't even in America. But anyway like I said the symbols differ due to the 45 degree rotation that the Nazis used. So they might look alike, but you can't deny everything that looks like something you feel negative towards.

"ww2 wasnt even in america" uhm ok but lots of americans suffered and they were involved in the war. sure it wasnt on mainland america but it did affect the american people
Japanese Internment Camps, for example. sad
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:50
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World Famous



Elayne wrote:
Elisabeth wrote:
Aquilera wrote:
Elisabeth wrote:
Tbh I don't think Americans should complain because WW II wasn't even in America. But anyway like I said the symbols differ due to the 45 degree rotation that the Nazis used. So they might look alike, but you can't deny everything that looks like something you feel negative towards.
One question, who brought up Americans? 
Elayne

"Elayne wrote:
same, even though i'm aware of it being a common symbol in hinduism it would have been easy to just.. not include it in a design for a site where most of the users are european/american "
well i brought up america together with europe because i assume a lot of americans associate the symbol with nazism... and even though they werent as affected by ww2 they still fought in it so

idk anyway after reading Vig's pov on this i dont really mind that this symbol was used, i guess i was a bit quick to judge
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:51
Grim
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Grim wrote:
Wisteria wrote:
why are y'all like this lmao
it is a religious symbol, among other things

now that u know that, why is there still an issue. if u dont like it sell the item or smthin

I mean, Vig even did a lovely write up about it a page or so back. I understand if you don't want to use the hands, but I think it's pretty unnecessary to bring down the folks here who use and love it for its original purpose by pitching a fit about it :/
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:51
Yellmi
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yellmi wrote:
what i meant, anyway, is that you can't expect people to drop parts of their culture because youre uncomfortable with it, whatever the reason for that might be. yea this is kinda farfetched on fucking vitualpopstar.com but entitlement is universal
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:53
MissLondon
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MissLondon wrote:
*waits for someone to feel uncomfortable over the usage of polkadots/plaid/stripes/flowers*
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:53
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are there really ppl who did not know that the Nazis took the symbol from religion though?? honest question because i though this was general knowledge.
Date: 14-03-2017 17:55
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Koolaid wrote:
It's uncomfortable to look at but I understand it's for a culture, and I don't think it's right to hide religious symbols because some dickhead made it into a hate symbol. You can reclaim a symbol just like reclaiming a word, others shouldn't have to suffer the consequences just because it makes us westerners uncomfortable.
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:55
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Elisabeth wrote:
are there really ppl who did not know that the Nazis took the symbol from religion though?? honest question because i though this was general knowledge.
because if you really didn't know then i understand that you're like "what's that doing there?"

but if you did know and you only object because you're ~uncomfortable~ then that's just dumb
Date: 14-03-2017 17:55
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World Famous



Elayne wrote:
yellmi wrote:
what i meant, anyway, is that you can't expect people to drop parts of their culture because youre uncomfortable with it, whatever the reason for that might be. yea this is kinda farfetched on fucking vitualpopstar.com but entitlement is universal
(i just want to say, again, that my pov was never about denying hindus of using this symbol, but rather questioning if it was a fitting symbol to use on a site where very few users are hindus and many probably associate it mainly with nazism - but i guess it can be a learning experience for those who didn't know, at least today when the item is actually connected to learning abt holi)
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:56
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Harness wrote:
Elisabeth wrote:
are there really ppl who did not know that the Nazis took the symbol from religion though?? honest question because i though this was general knowledge.

we know
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Date: 14-03-2017 17:56
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