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Melody wrote:

devilcake wrote:
atp im honestly more interested in hearing anything about this from the mod(s) who locked maxwell's thread (or who was part in that decision, idk if yall discuss things like that first or if its just tackled by the mod online at the time/person who write the lock message). N about that situation at all.

i understand theres a learning curve n might have been an honest mistake, so i dont wanna be all YOU ITS YOUR FAULT. But in the like, least mean way possible, it does worry me if parts of the mod team end up being people who cant tell a thread about venting frustration about the medical system apart from a post about sex because it had the word laid in it...

and n not hearing any of you rly mention that situation or that kind of situation yet feels either a bit dismissive, or like enough of you thought that thread was explicit that u cant agree on what should be said about it. Which again, makes we worry about how things will be ruled in the future, rule changes or not.

so uuuuhh that's like. this is me now going a bit rogue and this is not an official response per se

but it's part of the whole "are we this amount of lax with rules or are we not" situation which we are currently in progress of discussing in more depth

like abby mentioned earlier, we will be revamping the rules to be in fact more lax - according to which then officially the maxwell thread would've been/would be fine! while by the current rules it's a bit of a gray area... which is troublesome since we are supposed to enforce the current rules (due to them being official at the moment). leaving us at a "is it ok or is it not" loop. it's a very confusing place we are at right now lol. rewriting the rules should clear up any confusion for us mods as well - or at least that's the goal

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devilcake wrote:

Melody wrote:

devilcake wrote:
atp im honestly more interested in hearing anything about this from the mod(s) who locked maxwell's thread (or who was part in that decision, idk if yall discuss things like that first or if its just tackled by the mod online at the time/person who write the lock message). N about that situation at all.

i understand theres a learning curve n might have been an honest mistake, so i dont wanna be all YOU ITS YOUR FAULT. But in the like, least mean way possible, it does worry me if parts of the mod team end up being people who cant tell a thread about venting frustration about the medical system apart from a post about sex because it had the word laid in it...

and n not hearing any of you rly mention that situation or that kind of situation yet feels either a bit dismissive, or like enough of you thought that thread was explicit that u cant agree on what should be said about it. Which again, makes we worry about how things will be ruled in the future, rule changes or not.

so uuuuhh that's like. this is me now going a bit rogue and this is not an official response per se

but it's part of the whole "are we this amount of lax with rules or are we not" situation which we are currently in progress of discussing in more depth

like abby mentioned earlier, we will be revamping the rules to be in fact more lax - according to which then officially the maxwell thread would've been/would be fine! while by the current rules it's a bit of a gray area... which is troublesome since we are supposed to enforce the current rules (due to them being official at the moment). leaving us at a "is it ok or is it not" loop. it's a very confusing place we are at right now lol. rewriting the rules should clear up any confusion for us mods as well - or at least that's the goal

Except the whole point here is that it wasn’t a gray area

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wait whats going on im getting gosu flashbacks

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devilcake wrote:

Cherry wrote:

devilcake wrote:

Melody wrote:
so uuuuhh that's like. this is me now going a bit rogue and this is not an official response per se

but it's part of the whole "are we this amount of lax with rules or are we not" situation which we are currently in progress of discussing in more depth

like abby mentioned earlier, we will be revamping the rules to be in fact more lax - according to which then officially the maxwell thread would've been/would be fine! while by the current rules it's a bit of a gray area... which is troublesome since we are supposed to enforce the current rules (due to them being official at the moment). leaving us at a "is it ok or is it not" loop. it's a very confusing place we are at right now lol. rewriting the rules should clear up any confusion for us mods as well - or at least that's the goal

Except the whole point here is that it wasn’t a gray area

it was not the right call to lock it.

this has also been discussed thoroughly within the team, so it probably won't happen like this again

Also, sorry about the small and political response yesterday to Joob's message. Next time, I'll leave it alone and go to bed instead of throwing in half-arsed responses lmao

I edited ur message to be less dismissive of the issue, i hope this helps

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devilcake wrote:

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devilcake wrote:

Cherry wrote:
it was not the right call to lock it.

this has also been discussed thoroughly within the team, so it probably won't happen like this again

Also, sorry about the small and political response yesterday to Joob's message. Next time, I'll leave it alone and go to bed instead of throwing in half-arsed responses lmao

I edited ur message to be less dismissive of the issue, i hope this helps

This doesn't help, though. If you want us to communicate properly with you, can you please communicate properly too?

With peace and love i have done nothing but communicate properly about the issue, explain it multiple times, while you guys have been half assing it a lot, or avoided the topic, or adressed only part of it. Like im sorry im getting tired of it at this point???

to spell it out for you: this is im pretty sure the first time the locked thread has been adressed by the team, and prefacing ”yes we did the wrong thing there” with well it felt like the gray zone (which again, i cannot comprehend how a group of adults thought that was in the gray zone at all but alas) and people are allowed different opinions (indication that there is still a disagreement on the matter which makes the admission that it was a wrong call feel less genuine).
The rules and the laxness there off werent really relevant in the issue and has already been repeted as an answer and my last response here was how i felt like this had gone unadressed so, saying but the rules will change again does not adress that.
I also already said im aware people make mistake in my post prior to the one you quoted, and if it was just a mistake one should be able to say yes oopsie that was a mistake without all the prefacing of other stuff?

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devilcake wrote:

Cherry wrote:

devilcake wrote:

Cherry wrote:
This doesn't help, though. If you want us to communicate properly with you, can you please communicate properly too?

With peace and love i have done nothing but communicate properly about the issue, explain it multiple times, while you guys have been half assing it a lot, or avoided the topic, or adressed only part of it. Like im sorry im getting tired of it at this point???

to spell it out for you: this is im pretty sure the first time the locked thread has been adressed by the team, and prefacing ”yes we did the wrong thing there” with well it felt like the gray zone (which again, i cannot comprehend how a group of adults thought that was in the gray zone at all but alas) and people are allowed different opinions (indication that there is still a disagreement on the matter which makes the admission that it was a wrong call feel less genuine).
The rules and the laxness there off werent really relevant in the issue and has already been repeted as an answer and my last response here was how i felt like this had gone unadressed so, saying but the rules will change again does not adress that.
I also already said im aware people make mistake in my post prior to the one you quoted, and if it was just a mistake one should be able to say yes oopsie that was a mistake without all the prefacing of other stuff?

Thank you, this is what I meant. I know you've communicated a lot with us already and that's great, but that doesn't mean your reaction there was a nice one. I understand that you disagree with stuff I'm saying, but it felt like you were silencing my words.

I started with the grey area part because I was replying to your message directly. Of course I would've started it differently otherwise.

On the team, we have concluded the issue and found a proper strategy forward, and I hope we can conclude it on site too. I don't know if there is more I can say than I already have without talking in circles?

There clearly isnt anything i can say more on the matter that wont rub you the wrong way, which feels really great to know about the mod team going forward /s

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Olympus wrote:

devilcake wrote:

Cherry wrote:

devilcake wrote:
With peace and love i have done nothing but communicate properly about the issue, explain it multiple times, while you guys have been half assing it a lot, or avoided the topic, or adressed only part of it. Like im sorry im getting tired of it at this point???

to spell it out for you: this is im pretty sure the first time the locked thread has been adressed by the team, and prefacing ”yes we did the wrong thing there” with well it felt like the gray zone (which again, i cannot comprehend how a group of adults thought that was in the gray zone at all but alas) and people are allowed different opinions (indication that there is still a disagreement on the matter which makes the admission that it was a wrong call feel less genuine).
The rules and the laxness there off werent really relevant in the issue and has already been repeted as an answer and my last response here was how i felt like this had gone unadressed so, saying but the rules will change again does not adress that.
I also already said im aware people make mistake in my post prior to the one you quoted, and if it was just a mistake one should be able to say yes oopsie that was a mistake without all the prefacing of other stuff?

Thank you, this is what I meant. I know you've communicated a lot with us already and that's great, but that doesn't mean your reaction there was a nice one. I understand that you disagree with stuff I'm saying, but it felt like you were silencing my words.

I started with the grey area part because I was replying to your message directly. Of course I would've started it differently otherwise.

On the team, we have concluded the issue and found a proper strategy forward, and I hope we can conclude it on site too. I don't know if there is more I can say than I already have without talking in circles?

There clearly isnt anything i can say more on the matter that wont rub you the wrong way, which feels really great to know about the mod team going forward /s

No offence to anyone but, I feel like there isn't necessarily and animosity happening in cherry's responses. It seems they're just trying to let you know they understand your concerns, it only happened within a specific context that is being rectified and are going to do better moving forward.

No one should come away feeling rubbed the wrong way from this conversation, just based on the explanations from either party.

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i think ppl in mod team r trying their best to pick up a rly tough job and honestly thank u guys for doing that stuff for free bc i cud never

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Olympus wrote:
As long as we can strike a balance between mindful moderation and no one feeling above moderation, we should be fine when things balance out

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Idk 100% what ppl talk about here. But I will be fine with more mods and more activ mods if they do this for real and not just for the power. Don’t become gSm pls.

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Hauru wrote:
Im not accusing anyone of anything but i can understand why people are so frustrated or wary of mods. What i have experienced with mods on various platforms is that they turn a conversation into something personal real quick instead of looking at the situation from a neutral standpoint and focus on the emotions rather than the problem. We all know mods are just human beings but its also not a secret that many people who take on mod positions do it to have some sort of power and tend to abuse it. Not saying anyone does that here but im just trying to explain why people are so quick to correct mods. I dont have the full context of this situation but from what im gathering is that a thread was locked that was not deemed inappropriate by the users. So correcting the mods in situations like these are very important as to not let any of this "power abusment" get out of hand (like i said not accusing anyone of abusing it but just not letting it get to that point in the first place) bcs letting situations like these pass might blur the line of what users and what mods think is okay. I dont know most of the mods on this server but im sure this situation is a good conversation on where to draw a line and its important to do so for both parties involved. Thats why listening to the users is so important

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devilcake wrote:

Hauru wrote:
Im not accusing anyone of anything but i can understand why people are so frustrated or wary of mods. What i have experienced with mods on various platforms is that they turn a conversation into something personal real quick instead of looking at the situation from a neutral standpoint and focus on the emotions rather than the problem. We all know mods are just human beings but its also not a secret that many people who take on mod positions do it to have some sort of power and tend to abuse it. Not saying anyone does that here but im just trying to explain why people are so quick to correct mods. I dont have the full context of this situation but from what im gathering is that a thread was locked that was not deemed inappropriate by the users. So correcting the mods in situations like these are very important as to not let any of this "power abusment" get out of hand (like i said not accusing anyone of abusing it but just not letting it get to that point in the first place) bcs letting situations like these pass might blur the line of what users and what mods think is okay. I dont know most of the mods on this server but im sure this situation is a good conversation on where to draw a line and its important to do so for both parties involved. Thats why listening to the users is so important

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Olympus wrote:

Hauru wrote:
Im not accusing anyone of anything but i can understand why people are so frustrated or wary of mods. What i have experienced with mods on various platforms is that they turn a conversation into something personal real quick instead of looking at the situation from a neutral standpoint and focus on the emotions rather than the problem. We all know mods are just human beings but its also not a secret that many people who take on mod positions do it to have some sort of power and tend to abuse it. Not saying anyone does that here but im just trying to explain why people are so quick to correct mods. I dont have the full context of this situation but from what im gathering is that a thread was locked that was not deemed inappropriate by the users. So correcting the mods in situations like these are very important as to not let any of this "power abusment" get out of hand (like i said not accusing anyone of abusing it but just not letting it get to that point in the first place) bcs letting situations like these pass might blur the line of what users and what mods think is okay. I dont know most of the mods on this server but im sure this situation is a good conversation on where to draw a line and its important to do so for both parties involved. Thats why listening to the users is so important

I also think the conversation is important to have. I will say, VP mods are just in bootcamp and they are already actively listening to the corrections they're getting and promising to do better moving forward, but they still need the time/chance to prove it. We don't need to prematurely treat them like they're wild GSM mods who are out to make our experience unpleasant on purpose.

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devilcake wrote:
Its sorta like, because of the way mods here, and on other sites generally have and do act a lot of the time, a situation like this where basically all of the userbase who have seen the situation goes um yo thats not it fam, and then have that point either repetedly misunderstood, avoided or dismissed (even if that wantt on purpose!!!) is going to be an example of those typical mod behaviors we want to be avoided.

the mod team on this has gone way over expecations compared to what i expected from past moderators, ive tried to make it clear so many times that i appreaciate the transparency we do get.That the mod team is new and theres a learning curve is super understandable, mistakes happen, and this thread locking was a mistake. Thats okay. I hope that in the future we can have a mod team that makes a mistake and can own that without dancing around the subject to the point where mistrust is reached.

I still feel like the locked thread situation hasnt been adequately adressed, and i still feel like i dont know if the mods truly think it was a mistake or not, cherry just happened to be the only one to respond to it and the way it was worded didnt really clear it up for me, and its hard to know whats being is meant to be the thing theyve discussed as a team and what is a singular mods words n stuff like that too.

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Olympus wrote:

devilcake wrote:
Its sorta like, because of the way mods here, and on other sites generally have and do act a lot of the time, a situation like this where basically all of the userbase who have seen the situation goes um yo thats not it fam, and then have that point either repetedly misunderstood, avoided or dismissed (even if that wantt on purpose!!!) is going to be an example of those typical mod behaviors we want to be avoided.

the mod team on this has gone way over expecations compared to what i expected from past moderators, ive tried to make it clear so many times that i appreaciate the transparency we do get.That the mod team is new and theres a learning curve is super understandable, mistakes happen, and this thread locking was a mistake. Thats okay. I hope that in the future we can have a mod team that makes a mistake and can own that without dancing around the subject to the point where mistrust is reached.

I still feel like the locked thread situation hasnt been adequately adressed, and i still feel like i dont know if the mods truly think it was a mistake or not, cherry just happened to be the only one to respond to it and the way it was worded didnt really clear it up for me, and its hard to know whats being is meant to be the thing theyve discussed as a team and what is a singular mods words n stuff like that too.

Okay, i'm gathering that the issue is you want a specific thing addressed on it's own (The locking of Maxwells thread) and instead the Mods are addressing everything that has been said, at once, and that is causing their responses to feel and look like empty blanket responses as opposed to proper ownership of the mismanaged locking of the Maxwell thread?