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Azriel wrote:

devilcake wrote:

Azriel wrote:

devilcake wrote:
where was it adressed /gen not trying to attack u

cos i feel like a lot of things were adressed on its own like the moving of threads, the uptake in activity, confusion on rules due to them being changed soon, were all adressed but the locking of the thread wasn't until cherry mentioned it,,, unless i missed it somehow

or were one of those other things supposed to adress that also, and if so how?

locking of threads is briefly mentioned in the op .. . we might not have explicitly mentioned maxwell's thread but us saying we are still learning and reviewing how to handle future situations etc is all very much about that, as i think that is what really set off the discussions about mod team yesterday

okay but the intro post is mainly just stating that there were a thread/threads being locked due to enforing rules that previously wasn't enforced, but since maxwells thread didnt break the rules its not rly adressed

Like is there a reason why the mod team can't just plainly state "we misunderstood the topic of the thread"?
because right now it either feels like
a) part of or all of the mod team still thinks that broke the rules as they are now
or b) the team or part of the team is having issues stating/admitting they did a wrong call

and both of these are issues to me, but its the only conclusions i can come too if the other things that have been said is supposed to adress it (aside from cherrys comment, which came late and still showed traces of one of those conclusions)

maxwells thread was interpreted as breaking the rules because there are several references in the rules and T&C that messages of sexual nature are not allowed (or variations of that). Not everyone knew riksen referred to the hospital either, so instead of being interpreted as a complaint about the medical system it was interpreted as a thread about sex

it might be that we havent been able to strongly determine whether it was a mistake because it is based upon interpretation and the judgement of new moderators, who were following the outdated rules of vp

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devilcake wrote:

Elisia wrote:

joob wrote:
im just wondering why maxwells forum was automatically locked but i had to ask for the person talking about sexual preferences in my forum which is 500% more sexual than what maxwell was talking about. i feel like that doesnt even go into a grey area that like is the area

If you're referring to your comp,,, i feel like it's in the same category and level as Maxwells...

Because of the loosely written rules, and the fact that there are minors on the site, they couldn't keep one but not the other-
But i digress

but maxwells thread wasnt about sex in anyway it was about his therapist being shit

like locking it was on the same level as locking a thread saying idk ben shapiro needs to get laid, which is not a thread about ben shapiros sex life its a thread about politics

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whydoiexist wrote:

Elisia wrote:

joob wrote:
im just wondering why maxwells forum was automatically locked but i had to ask for the person talking about sexual preferences in my forum which is 500% more sexual than what maxwell was talking about. i feel like that doesnt even go into a grey area that like is the area

If you're referring to your comp,,, i feel like it's in the same category and level as Maxwells...

Because of the loosely written rules, and the fact that there are minors on the site, they couldn't keep one but not the other-
But i digress

the stuff in the comp thread was explicitly sexual, maxwells thread was about therapists incompetence

Joob
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joob wrote:

Elisia wrote:

joob wrote:
im just wondering why maxwells forum was automatically locked but i had to ask for the person talking about sexual preferences in my forum which is 500% more sexual than what maxwell was talking about. i feel like that doesnt even go into a grey area that like is the area

If you're referring to your comp,,, i feel like it's in the same category and level as Maxwells...

Because of the loosely written rules, and the fact that there are minors on the site, they couldn't keep one but not the other-
But i digress

but maxwells forum was not sexual what so ever (to people with a brain) and was locked straight away and the undeniable sexual comments in my forum was not removed until i asked? i dont understand how its on the same level

Elisia
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Elisia wrote:
I mean this from a good place in my heart

But if you guys didn't act the way you are about it
I think people would be more likely to listen,,,,
exactly 1 of you clearly explained the situation to an outsider who was ignorant to it even after searching for and reading the thread. But most responses feel very demeaning.

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Kofod wrote:
I am not saying the mods did right, but if two different mods acted independently therefore interpreted the two situations in each their own way - Which might have caused how differently the incidents were treated.
Whether that be the case or not, I don't know. Either ways it is of course no excuse, yet is is an explanation and yet another aspect that needs to be fixed. And likely also will be fixed when the mods reevaluate the rules together with the admins, so they can get on the same page regarding the rules.
As many has mentioned before, the current rules were made in either 2022 & 2023, yet none of the mods nor admins who were part of making those rules are around.
It is absolutely trivial that rules are clear, so we can avoid any gray zones - no matter if you think it is a grey zone or not.

I do absolutely hope this topic of getting on the same page within MT is an active discussion so future situations can be handled in the right manner.

Understandable you, the new mods need to get used to your new role on VP, and nothing will be the same after your name turns blue - The user base will look at you differently and your responsibility to the site will be.. a lot.
But you also need to be aware that as mods you need to be very careful on how to act in any and all situations - Some naturally needs to be dealt with immediately (especially if others feel violated) while grey zones.. Those you need to discuss within the team (at least until you are on the same page about things)

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devilcake wrote:

Azriel wrote:

devilcake wrote:

Azriel wrote:
locking of threads is briefly mentioned in the op .. . we might not have explicitly mentioned maxwell's thread but us saying we are still learning and reviewing how to handle future situations etc is all very much about that, as i think that is what really set off the discussions about mod team yesterday

okay but the intro post is mainly just stating that there were a thread/threads being locked due to enforing rules that previously wasn't enforced, but since maxwells thread didnt break the rules its not rly adressed

Like is there a reason why the mod team can't just plainly state "we misunderstood the topic of the thread"?
because right now it either feels like
a) part of or all of the mod team still thinks that broke the rules as they are now
or b) the team or part of the team is having issues stating/admitting they did a wrong call

and both of these are issues to me, but its the only conclusions i can come too if the other things that have been said is supposed to adress it (aside from cherrys comment, which came late and still showed traces of one of those conclusions)

maxwells thread was interpreted as breaking the rules because there are several references in the rules and T&C that messages of sexual nature are not allowed (or variations of that). Not everyone knew riksen referred to the hospital either, so instead of being interpreted as a complaint about the medical system it was interpreted as a thread about sex

it might be that we havent been able to strongly determine whether it was a mistake because it is based upon interpretation and the judgement of new moderators, who were following the outdated rules of vp

okay so it is because some people thought it was a rule break even after discussion (if you as a team havent been able to strongly determine it even after it was cleared up what riksen was or it was put into question by the community).

Since that is the case I want it to be said and for the team to know that the inability to determine it as mistake (especially after the community chimed in and agreed that it didnt make sense) is an issue, and that those who believe that, in my opinion, potentially lacks the critical analysis skills to make calls on those sort of situations. I know that sounds super mean, but i seriously cannot comprehend how that thread can be interperated as a thread discussing sexual content, which is wht the rules do not permit. And i hope that the parts of the team who did do that put in serious effort into working on that if theyre foing to be a part

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Teabag wrote:
I wish i was illiterate, i mean, more than i am

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Heartbroken wrote:

Teabag wrote:
I wish i was illiterate, i mean, more than i am

amen, brother

Joob
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joob wrote:

Cherry wrote:

joob wrote:

Elisia wrote:
If you're referring to your comp,,, i feel like it's in the same category and level as Maxwells...

Because of the loosely written rules, and the fact that there are minors on the site, they couldn't keep one but not the other-
But i digress

but maxwells forum was not sexual what so ever (to people with a brain) and was locked straight away and the undeniable sexual comments in my forum was not removed until i asked? i dont understand how its on the same level

You kinda started a snowball effect on the topic, though. It felt like a sorta a-ha moment where we realised that we can properly deal with these things now, being a bigger team. The situations were very different, but like Elisia pointed out, we felt like we couldn't keep one and not the other. This was a mistake and we have made measures to make this this doesn't happen again

i mean this is the nicest way possible but how did u guys need me telling you to remove sexual comments someone made in my thread to be the a-ha moment you needed to realise you can deal with things probably now.. i fear that shouldve been obvious when you.. hired new mods and im still not understanding how they can be comparable. but im glad u are able to admit its a mistake

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talent wrote:

Joob
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joob wrote:

Elisia wrote:
I mean this from a good place in my heart

But if you guys didn't act the way you are about it
I think people would be more likely to listen,,,,
exactly 1 of you clearly explained the situation to an outsider who was ignorant to it even after searching for and reading the thread. But most responses feel very demeaning.

girl bye

Hmm
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hmm wrote:

talent wrote:
x

literally

Elisia
International star

Elisia wrote:

joob wrote:

Elisia wrote:
I mean this from a good place in my heart

But if you guys didn't act the way you are about it
I think people would be more likely to listen,,,,
exactly 1 of you clearly explained the situation to an outsider who was ignorant to it even after searching for and reading the thread. But most responses feel very demeaning.

Girl bye

👋
I have never once said i agree or disagree.
I said they couldn't keep one without the other.

There has to be a line but with the current rules, that line is really fuzzy.

[Redact a d]
Edit. I stand by what I said but I don't have the energy for drama. I'm too old for this shit

Bittersweetmemories
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bittersweetmemories wrote:

devilcake wrote:

Azriel wrote:

devilcake wrote:
okay but the intro post is mainly just stating that there were a thread/threads being locked due to enforing rules that previously wasn't enforced, but since maxwells thread didnt break the rules its not rly adressed

Like is there a reason why the mod team can't just plainly state "we misunderstood the topic of the thread"?
because right now it either feels like
a) part of or all of the mod team still thinks that broke the rules as they are now
or b) the team or part of the team is having issues stating/admitting they did a wrong call

and both of these are issues to me, but its the only conclusions i can come too if the other things that have been said is supposed to adress it (aside from cherrys comment, which came late and still showed traces of one of those conclusions)

maxwells thread was interpreted as breaking the rules because there are several references in the rules and T&C that messages of sexual nature are not allowed (or variations of that). Not everyone knew riksen referred to the hospital either, so instead of being interpreted as a complaint about the medical system it was interpreted as a thread about sex

it might be that we havent been able to strongly determine whether it was a mistake because it is based upon interpretation and the judgement of new moderators, who were following the outdated rules of vp

okay so it is because some people thought it was a rule break even after discussion (if you as a team havent been able to strongly determine it even after it was cleared up what riksen was or it was put into question by the community).

Since that is the case I want it to be said and for the team to know that the inability to determine it as mistake (especially after the community chimed in and agreed that it didnt make sense) is an issue, and that those who believe that, in my opinion, potentially lacks the critical analysis skills to make calls on those sort of situations. I know that sounds super mean, but i seriously cannot comprehend how that thread can be interperated as a thread discussing sexual content, which is wht the rules do not permit. And i hope that the parts of the team who did do that put in serious effort into working on that if theyre foing to be a part

It was already mentioned that locking it was a mistake, so yes, we did own up to it. We understand your frustration, and we hear you, truly. Because of this, we've had discussions about the subject all day, both through voice chat and in text, about how we can avoid situations like this in the future, and I feel that we've come to some good conclusions.

As was already mentioned, the rules are going to change for subjects like these, as we believe almost everyone is 18+ and we want that to be our demographic. This will take some time, though, so I ask you to be patient ^^

Since we are new to working together as a team, and I personally don't have experience running a Bootcamp or training new moderators, it can sometimes happen that a mistake is made, for which I will take full responsibility. I do want to say that I appreciate your feedback and promise that we take it seriously and will continue to ask for it, and discuss things you all bring up.