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Defund the police
BunnyButts
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Saudade wrote:
callum wrote:
does defund mean get rid completely?
No!:-) it means redistributing the funds!
Police in America get a lot of funding, heres a graph!:


With school funding, medical funding and many other essential services getting less and less funds every year, police get more, but with no evidence of crime rates going down! When you redistribute the funds to the examples given it can help the community a lot more, and in theory, reduce crime as a whole!
Ugh what a wonderful way to put it!!!
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But honestly, police isn't the only thing, I think its fine to give less money to the police if they fix the justice system and prison system, if they don't use all the money now sure, but the crime rates are so incredibly high because of other problems, so it seems very bad to give less funds to the police when the crime rates are already so high 
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Saudade wrote:
ouch wrote:
Saudade wrote:
what do u mean lol...did u call me braindead..:-(
No I didn't read what u wrote before now lol but I think defunding the police and potentioally making it privatized is utterly stupid, ppl need police, it takes time to educate new and better people, ppl cannot live without police. Im for firing the bad cops, I am not for abolishing the police before u have a plan for what to actually do 
Hey! I suggest you look at my response to Callum as it seems you are misinformed on what defund means! 
Yeahh I wrote smth else hopefully makes more sense hehe 
Saudade
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Bram wrote:
statues can be taken down idc germany doesnt have any statues of hitler and they're doing just fine

idk if defunding the police is necessarily completely gonna resolve the issue. america should invest in better police training and screening, the same was norway/finland/etc do

but i think there are many problems in america concerning inequality (america is literally a capitalism simulator built bu slaves) that are all influencing one another so you cant just take 1 of them down without having to change half the country's structure
Agreed! Police in America require 6 months training and that is it! Crazy to me considering a lawyer has to do years of schooling, and police are the ones enforcing the law, how can this be possible without correct education! I also saw someone say they should do mental health checks routinely and I wholeheartedly agree! 

And yes it's true that the entire countrys structure needs fixing, which is why now is the time to start to help protect our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, neighbours, friends, coworkers and just people you don't know! I think it's too easy to think it's too hard and not bother! Yes it takes time but in the end its worth it!
BunnyButts
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ouch wrote:
But honestly, police isn't the only thing, I think its fine to give less money to the police if they fix the justice system and prison system, if they don't use all the money now sure, but the crime rates are so incredibly high because of other problems, so it seems very bad to give less funds to the police when the crime rates are already so high 
Well the idea is to fund structures that could help prevent it like easy access therapy and mental health help, social workers, giving helpful treatments for addiction, housing help, and helping fund higher education! 
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BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
But honestly, police isn't the only thing, I think its fine to give less money to the police if they fix the justice system and prison system, if they don't use all the money now sure, but the crime rates are so incredibly high because of other problems, so it seems very bad to give less funds to the police when the crime rates are already so high 
Well the idea is to fund structures that could help prevent it like easy access therapy and mental health help, social workers, giving helpful treatments for addiction, housing help, and helping fund higher education! 
I don't rlly see prevention as that possible, or like worth it, but fixing the whole prison system would do immensely good and focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment, which as of today only causes people to re-offend. 
BunnyButts
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Alot of the problems that cause crimes are the effects of capitalism and so making things that easily accessed for those discriminated against instead of putting police in neighbors will bring down the rates
Saudade
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ouch wrote:
But honestly, police isn't the only thing, I think its fine to give less money to the police if they fix the justice system and prison system, if they don't use all the money now sure, but the crime rates are so incredibly high because of other problems, so it seems very bad to give less funds to the police when the crime rates are already so high 
Unfortunately giving them more funds/keeping it the way it is hasn't worked! They get extra funding all the time, but with no change ! It makes you question where the money goes. :--) Like I said above, redistributing it into other sections of public services like schools, and even places like mental health institutions, I can almost say with positivity, it will change the crime rate a lot more!
Callum
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OH then i defo support defunding them!
BunnyButts
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ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
But honestly, police isn't the only thing, I think its fine to give less money to the police if they fix the justice system and prison system, if they don't use all the money now sure, but the crime rates are so incredibly high because of other problems, so it seems very bad to give less funds to the police when the crime rates are already so high 
Well the idea is to fund structures that could help prevent it like easy access therapy and mental health help, social workers, giving helpful treatments for addiction, housing help, and helping fund higher education! 
I don't rlly see prevention as that possible, or like worth it, but fixing the whole prison system would do immensely good and focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment, which as of today only causes people to re-offend. 

Yes! that would help a lot but majority of incarceration is non- violent drug charges and minorities and once you've been convicted you no longer can vote! As well as free labor is legal for prisoners  
JessBear
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yes i believe in defunding the police and reallocating that money to other things that actually do need money, like education, places like flint which still doesnt have clean water, etc 
Saudade
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ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
But honestly, police isn't the only thing, I think its fine to give less money to the police if they fix the justice system and prison system, if they don't use all the money now sure, but the crime rates are so incredibly high because of other problems, so it seems very bad to give less funds to the police when the crime rates are already so high 
Well the idea is to fund structures that could help prevent it like easy access therapy and mental health help, social workers, giving helpful treatments for addiction, housing help, and helping fund higher education! 
I don't rlly see prevention as that possible, or like worth it, but fixing the whole prison system would do immensely good and focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment, which as of today only causes people to re-offend. 
With the defunding of the police, I recon the prison system (and hopefully ICE) will also see some change! We are a very intelligent united generation who are learning and spreading information that has been hidden from us for years.
The way I see it is:
- A clean out of dirty cops/better screenings 
- A change in policies (many ex-cops have come out about toxic cop culture, some saying they have a competition for the most arrests, or the most pointless ones, just to laugh about later, but potentially ruining peoples lives!)
- More training before being accepted into the workforce

- With funds redistributed into schooling, mental health support, social work, fighting homelessness, etc. it will help citizens work through their struggles and not turn to crime 
- Ultimately, with this new funding in these sectors it would reduce crimes which will also effect the prison system, which also should be under review, because in reality it is modernised legal slavery.
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BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
Well the idea is to fund structures that could help prevent it like easy access therapy and mental health help, social workers, giving helpful treatments for addiction, housing help, and helping fund higher education! 
I don't rlly see prevention as that possible, or like worth it, but fixing the whole prison system would do immensely good and focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment, which as of today only causes people to re-offend. 

Yes! that would help a lot but majority of incarceration is non- violent drug charges and minorities and once you've been convicted you no longer can vote! As well as free labor is legal for prisoners  
Yeah I know, its a lot of bad stuff. In some states u have 3 strikes before ur in for life too, even if its murder or small drug charges which is honestly ridiculous but yeah. Looking at statistics they have an incredibly bad re-offend rate compared to for example where I live (norway). Of course we have less ppl here, but the crime rates are also incredibly low in comparison. Obv from more than just the prison experience as a whole, but i think that plays a major part in it, so thats why i think that it isn't good to give police less money if the crime rates are still as high 
Private
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Maybe instead of defunding they could spend the money on improving the police 
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Azriel wrote:
Maybe instead of defunding they could spend the money on improving the police 
Yeah tbh
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