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Alam
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Alam wrote:
Claire wrote:
Alam wrote:
Claire wrote:
youre right. its primarily a womens issue and as a woman my discussions of prostitution are framed by my own biases but patriarchy is also something that effects the lgbt and its also racist. these issues are all intrinsically linked. patriarchy (in the weast) isn't just like about opressing women its about enforcing a heteronormative hedgemony and white supremacy.
Excuse my perhaps ignorance, but I just don't see how that's true? Patriarchy is a system that gives men power over women, like, things can be bad without being other bad things. I just think it diminishes from women's abuse under patriarchy in developing, undemocratic countries to say that the women in the western world are all living under patriarchy. It's even unfair to the women 30 minutes from me, in Bnei Brak or Jenin. I think it's just too simplified to call it all patriarchy. Like, patriarchy is such a strong, loaded word, it's just hard for me to say that the women working in a tech company in silicon valley or as a teacher in a school in Stockholm is under the oppression of patriarchy when my dad's patient from Judea and Samaria killed herself trying to abort her fetus with a coat hanger because it was conceived out of wedlock and she would be killed by her family had they found out. It's just arggg it's complicated and I really don't understand it but this is just how it makes sense to me.
to me it seems that you are the one who wants to simplify patriarchy and say that only the absolute worst abuses of male power qualify. it's a system of power that seeps into our every day lives in many ways. 
I just. I just don't think it's the same thing I'm sorry. It's not fair to those women to say it's the same and by giving it all the same name that's exactly what we're doing. Things can be bad without being the absolute worst, is all I'm saying.
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Date: 18-09-2021 00:32
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Claire wrote:
Claire wrote:
Alam wrote:
Claire wrote:
youre right. its primarily a womens issue and as a woman my discussions of prostitution are framed by my own biases but patriarchy is also something that effects the lgbt and its also racist. these issues are all intrinsically linked. patriarchy (in the weast) isn't just like about opressing women its about enforcing a heteronormative hedgemony and white supremacy.
Excuse my perhaps ignorance, but I just don't see how that's true? Patriarchy is a system that gives men power over women, like, things can be bad without being other bad things. I just think it diminishes from women's abuse under patriarchy in developing, undemocratic countries to say that the women in the western world are all living under patriarchy. It's even unfair to the women 30 minutes from me, in Bnei Brak or Jenin. I think it's just too simplified to call it all patriarchy. Like, patriarchy is such a strong, loaded word, it's just hard for me to say that the women working in a tech company in silicon valley or as a teacher in a school in Stockholm is under the oppression of patriarchy when my dad's patient from Judea and Samaria killed herself trying to abort her fetus with a coat hanger because it was conceived out of wedlock and she would be killed by her family had they found out. It's just arggg it's complicated and I really don't understand it but this is just how it makes sense to me.
to me it seems that you are the one who wants to simplify patriarchy and say that only the absolute worst abuses of male power qualify. it's a system of power that seeps into our every day lives in many ways. 
like silicon valley is a place with rampant sexual discrimination its interesting that youd use that as an example of a place where women are well off. 

The vile experiences of women in tech | The Economisthttps://www.economist.com › open-future › 2019/05/03


How Sexism Is Coded Into the Tech Industry | The Nationhttps://www.thenation.com › Article

Why Is Silicon Valley So Awful to Women? - The Atlantichttps://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2017/04 › why...
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ouch wrote:
Alam wrote:
ouch wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
also im on the fence abt kill all men and all men are assholes bc like even though saying that has probably no effect on men bc of their gender privilege... it's still a structural problem. like obvs men benefit from it, but women can be just as often perpetrators and ypholders of sex based oppression esp in asian/african countries where ppl are still more traditional. and FGM is carried out by women etc etc

like this white feminist trend of haha men are shit literally gets us nowhere. women are active participants often in child trafficking and are most often the ones luring in naive moms and such and stealing their kids. yeah they're all victims as women but not blameless
Just furthering the notion that men has to be strong, scared of getting help, bla bla bla
its like if I were to call myself a feminist, it would def be the type of feminist who wants equality and looks to problems of both sexes, not just wamen problems 
I always see this rhetoric coming from certain feminists that men are fragile and week and blah blah blah like what do you think that's doing lol it just reinforced dangerous gender roles lmao
Either they are too weak or they r murdering rapists 
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BunnyButts
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BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
also i specifically said that men have gender privilege and not sex privilege, bc a trans man that passes as cis will benefit from being a man, until it is known they're trans
I just think the men having more priviledge than woman in all cases is stupid. Me, white woman, vs black/asian/etc/trans/gay men. I def do not suffer under the partiarchy n I feel all of these men are below me in the legal system and in society's eyes, at least in norway
WAIt I read this wrong ignore me
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Alam
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Alam wrote:
Claire wrote:
Claire wrote:
Alam wrote:
Excuse my perhaps ignorance, but I just don't see how that's true? Patriarchy is a system that gives men power over women, like, things can be bad without being other bad things. I just think it diminishes from women's abuse under patriarchy in developing, undemocratic countries to say that the women in the western world are all living under patriarchy. It's even unfair to the women 30 minutes from me, in Bnei Brak or Jenin. I think it's just too simplified to call it all patriarchy. Like, patriarchy is such a strong, loaded word, it's just hard for me to say that the women working in a tech company in silicon valley or as a teacher in a school in Stockholm is under the oppression of patriarchy when my dad's patient from Judea and Samaria killed herself trying to abort her fetus with a coat hanger because it was conceived out of wedlock and she would be killed by her family had they found out. It's just arggg it's complicated and I really don't understand it but this is just how it makes sense to me.
to me it seems that you are the one who wants to simplify patriarchy and say that only the absolute worst abuses of male power qualify. it's a system of power that seeps into our every day lives in many ways. 
like silicon valley is a place with rampant sexual discrimination its interesting that youd use that as an example of a place where women are well off. 

The vile experiences of women in tech | The Economisthttps://www.economist.com › open-future › 2019/05/03


How Sexism Is Coded Into the Tech Industry | The Nationhttps://www.thenation.com › Article

Why Is Silicon Valley So Awful to Women? - The Atlantichttps://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2017/04 › why...
That's exactly the point though, it's not good but it's not the worst.
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ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
also i specifically said that men have gender privilege and not sex privilege, bc a trans man that passes as cis will benefit from being a man, until it is known they're trans
I just think the men having more priviledge than woman in all cases is stupid. Me, white woman, vs black/asian/etc/trans/gay men. I def do not suffer under the partiarchy n I feel all of these men are below me in the legal system and in society's eyes, at least in norway
thats historically not true? 
Im not talkinga bt history tho lmao, im saying, me existing in this day and age, I face no harm from society (in norway) compared to minority men
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BunnyButts
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BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
I just think the men having more priviledge than woman in all cases is stupid. Me, white woman, vs black/asian/etc/trans/gay men. I def do not suffer under the partiarchy n I feel all of these men are below me in the legal system and in society's eyes, at least in norway
thats historically not true? 
Im not talkinga bt history tho lmao, im saying, me existing in this day and age, I face no harm from society (in norway) compared to minority men

no no I agree with u Im sorry I forgot how to read
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Claire wrote:
Alam wrote:
Claire wrote:
Claire wrote:
to me it seems that you are the one who wants to simplify patriarchy and say that only the absolute worst abuses of male power qualify. it's a system of power that seeps into our every day lives in many ways. 
like silicon valley is a place with rampant sexual discrimination its interesting that youd use that as an example of a place where women are well off. 

The vile experiences of women in tech | The Economisthttps://www.economist.com › open-future › 2019/05/03


How Sexism Is Coded Into the Tech Industry | The Nationhttps://www.thenation.com › Article

Why Is Silicon Valley So Awful to Women? - The Atlantichttps://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2017/04 › why...
That's exactly the point though, it's not good but it's not the worst.
yea your arguement is like very much along the lines of 'emotional abuse isnt abuse only physical abuse is abuse' thats the type of arguement that youre making here. youre saying a problem exists and is related to this word patriarchy but you dont want us to use this word because you want to reserve it for only the worst cases. this isnt the scholarly use of the term- academics use patriarchy to refer to all sex based oppressions. your argument makes sense but its not consistent with the way the term is actually used in academia.
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ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
thats historically not true? 
Im not talkinga bt history tho lmao, im saying, me existing in this day and age, I face no harm from society (in norway) compared to minority men

no no I agree with u Im sorry I forgot how to read
Yes good, I have just legit seen ppl on vp even say that ALL men are above ALL women, which isn't true, n it also feels very babying to me, towards women 
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Alam
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Alam wrote:
Claire wrote:
Alam wrote:
Claire wrote:
like silicon valley is a place with rampant sexual discrimination its interesting that youd use that as an example of a place where women are well off. 

The vile experiences of women in tech | The Economisthttps://www.economist.com › open-future › 2019/05/03


How Sexism Is Coded Into the Tech Industry | The Nationhttps://www.thenation.com › Article

Why Is Silicon Valley So Awful to Women? - The Atlantichttps://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2017/04 › why...
That's exactly the point though, it's not good but it's not the worst.
yea your arguement is like very much along the lines of 'emotional abuse isnt abuse only physical abuse is abuse' thats the type of arguement that youre making here. youre saying a problem exists and is related to this word patriarchy but you dont want us to use this word because you want to reserve it for only the worst cases. this isnt the scholarly use of the term- academics use patriarchy to refer to all sex based oppressions. your argument makes sense but its not consistent with the way the term is actually used in academia.
No it absolutely isn't, I'm just saying it's different.
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ouch wrote:
ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
Im not talkinga bt history tho lmao, im saying, me existing in this day and age, I face no harm from society (in norway) compared to minority men

no no I agree with u Im sorry I forgot how to read
Yes good, I have just legit seen ppl on vp even say that ALL men are above ALL women, which isn't true, n it also feels very babying to me, towards women 
Babying towards women (uwuw women r weak we can't think or do anything cus patriarchy, which is true to a certain extent but not that much) and invalidating for men who acc have it shitty, especially in the legal system, child custtody cases etc, mental health bla bla bla. Getting shot by police
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Koolaid wrote:
ouch wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
also i specifically said that men have gender privilege and not sex privilege, bc a trans man that passes as cis will benefit from being a man, until it is known they're trans
I just think the men having more priviledge than woman in all cases is stupid. Me, white woman, vs black/asian/etc/trans/gay men. I def do not suffer under the partiarchy n I feel all of these men are below me in the legal system and in society's eyes, at least in norway
yes intersectionalism
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Date: 18-09-2021 00:38
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Claire wrote:
Alam wrote:
Claire wrote:
Alam wrote:
That's exactly the point though, it's not good but it's not the worst.
yea your arguement is like very much along the lines of 'emotional abuse isnt abuse only physical abuse is abuse' thats the type of arguement that youre making here. youre saying a problem exists and is related to this word patriarchy but you dont want us to use this word because you want to reserve it for only the worst cases. this isnt the scholarly use of the term- academics use patriarchy to refer to all sex based oppressions. your argument makes sense but its not consistent with the way the term is actually used in academia.
No it absolutely isn't, I'm just saying it's different.
and i can see how its frustrating to see western feminists talk about things like inequality in tech jobs when there are literal infanticides happening of females in other places but i can only focus on the injustice thats happening in my own territory. i dont think youd see any western feminist who says these 'lesser' sexisms matter would say its ok to murder an infant female. we just talk about what we know. 
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Koolaid wrote:
someone made a great point abt white women being like i hate men is so weird bc white women genuinely do hate black men, and use their privilege to get black men arrested like..... girl u telling on urself
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BunnyButts
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BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
Im not talkinga bt history tho lmao, im saying, me existing in this day and age, I face no harm from society (in norway) compared to minority men

no no I agree with u Im sorry I forgot how to read
Yes good, I have just legit seen ppl on vp even say that ALL men are above ALL women, which isn't true, n it also feels very babying to me, towards women 
Nope you're absolutely right
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