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wug wrote:
Opinions with lack of nuance, fascinating. I wouldn't throw stones tho I know I appear to lack nuance most of the time.

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Koolaid wrote:
i wrote this post in response to a tweet of a girl who did a nose job bc she had a nose bump and quite a few of the comments were like 'i would get surgery too if my nose looked like that no offense' and it just hurts cause a lot of people have a nose bump and it's almost universally hated.

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Koolaid wrote:
this is what i mean with nose bump:

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wug wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
i wrote this post in response to a tweet of a girl who did a nose job bc she had a nose bump and quite a few of the comments were like 'i would get surgery too if my nose looked like that no offense' and it just hurts cause a lot of people have a nose bump and it's almost universally hated.

i have that and it's really fucking ugly but also noses are in general really fucking ugly it's an ugly part of the human body is like oof i question whether it can be a god if it is claimed that god makes everything perfect because we have noses and also knees? disgusting, and shoulders, they look weird, everything looks weird.

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Snusmumrikken wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
i wrote this post in response to a tweet of a girl who did a nose job bc she had a nose bump and quite a few of the comments were like 'i would get surgery too if my nose looked like that no offense' and it just hurts cause a lot of people have a nose bump and it's almost universally hated.

i have that and it's really fucking ugly but also noses are in general really fucking ugly it's an ugly part of the human body is like oof i question whether it can be a god if it is claimed that god makes everything perfect because we have noses and also knees? disgusting, and shoulders, they look weird, everything looks weird.

I agree, humans are ugly compared to other animals

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Limbs wrote:
i feel like you could compare plastic surgery to basically any other unhealthy coping mechanisms... like yes, if you feel bad about some bodily feature you can get plastic surgery and you'll feel better. just like if you're an alcoholic and you're having difficult emotions, you can drink and you'll feel better. or if you have an eating disorder and you're having bad feelings about yourself, you can practice ED behaviors and you'll feel better. using the unhealthy coping mechanism will give immediate relief but it won't address the root cause, it will keep feeding the negative thought patterns and possibly cause more problems in the long run.

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Troublemaker wrote:
on one hand, i agree with you because that's why i don't wanna go under the knife and change my appearance. it's not that i'm happy with my body. it's simply because i don't think it'll go any better with surgery. yes, i hate my nose, i hate the bump but ... i don't wanna become prettier through that process. i just wanna feel pretty without having to pay thousands of dollars.

but, i don't care if someone else does it. it doesn't harm me, unless they do it for the wrong reasons (can't come up with any but if it is harmful for them in any way, like being forced, bullied etc). because it's their body, their choice.

(but telling someone they should do it, agreeing to someone doing plastic surgery is just fucking nuts)

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beyondeternal wrote:
I think more of the term "self-love" as something on a psychological scale - more on doing things that make you have a more positive outlook on life, rather than something for vanity. If a person could learn to "love" themselves as they are, they wont think about having to change anything on themselves on a physical aspect.

I think using "self-love" for plastic surgery is kind of not right because instead of promoting the mindset of learning to accept who you are and what you look, they point more towards to the side of vanity - that you need to change this and that to be appreciated more.

But this is just my opinion.

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GenderTeam wrote:
what about trans ppl 😳

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Koolaid wrote:

intimate wrote:
what about trans ppl 😳

yeah someone else already raised that point, when i said plastic surgery i meant like nose jobs or boob jobs and that kind of stuff but ofc sex change is often considered a plastic surgery which is tricky cause a lot of people don't see it as cosmetic, so it's not part of the point im making

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Limbs wrote:
agreed
i don't think it's wrong to get plastic surgery at all, but you can't call it something it isn't. plastic surgery is giving in to your insecurities/social pressure, not loving yourself. i think you can still try to love yourself if you have plastic surgery, but you shouldn't be acting as an example for others or claiming that plastic surgery is self love...

Idk, sometimes an ugly nose is just an ugly nose

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Troublemaker wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
i wrote this post in response to a tweet of a girl who did a nose job bc she had a nose bump and quite a few of the comments were like 'i would get surgery too if my nose looked like that no offense' and it just hurts cause a lot of people have a nose bump and it's almost universally hated.

i have that and it's really fucking ugly but also noses are in general really fucking ugly it's an ugly part of the human body is like oof i question whether it can be a god if it is claimed that god makes everything perfect because we have noses and also knees? disgusting, and shoulders, they look weird, everything looks weird.

the fuck is up with knees like
what
they're so
weird

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Koolaid wrote:
i guess it all boils down to what we define as self-love, but the point i want to make is that we can't market plastic surgery as something empowering and sell it to kids bc it's not empowering it's just a predatory industry trying to get your money.

I mean, yeah. The fashion/beauty industry work with a small, limiter version of what's beautiful and the advertisements everywhere, doomed to influence you and affect your perception of what is beautiful. It constantly tell you that small idea is the main type of beauty you or other's should have. If you don't have it, you're often considerer «not beautiful» or attractive. Both strangers and people you know internalize what they constantly gets fed. It's a general opinion, obv. there are people that disagree but if we look to social media fx. it is the conventional type of beauty thqt catches the eye the easiest.
The main goal of the beauty/fashion industry is to get your money. However, reforming to the beauty standards of your epoch has always come with an potential for power. Esp. for women, I'd say.

With self love I'd say it bottles down into loving yourself as you are. You accept your flaws and strenghts as they are. I don't think coloring you hair is the same as having a medical procedure to change your physical structure. You can change your hair color, but new hair also constantly grows and you can stop color it whenever you want and it will grow out like you never did anything to it. Plastic Surgery don't do that. It also won't change your dna. The flaws you have your children may absolutely get. What are ppl gonna do then? Learn their kid that they are beautiful as they are or that it's okay to change the structure of fx. your face to fit into the beauty standards of that time? Bc unless you've lived isolated from the western idea of beauty, it's there with you. And if you didn't have to experience that one type of apperance or traits brings easier power to that person, makes them easier liked etc. you wouldn't start comparing yourself to the idea of beauty that they have and think that the shortcut to having exactly that is to change how you look because you as you are isn't good enough and can't do the same things.

It's not a secret, the human eye do have a preferance for certain traits rooted in the quality that individual will add to a new generation.

This was just where my mind took me tbh. There's an emotional perspective to it as well. Personal choices and experiences that makes up the personal experience and desire to do it or not. But that's not the point. More than what I've poked into. Also, a discussion like this without set definitions are basically impossible since we opperate with different versions.

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GenderTeam wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

intimate wrote:
what about trans ppl 😳

yeah someone else already raised that point, when i said plastic surgery i meant like nose jobs or boob jobs and that kind of stuff but ofc sex change is often considered a plastic surgery which is tricky cause a lot of people don't see it as cosmetic, so it's not part of the point

oh ok sorry i didn’t read through this
wvat do you think about like facial feminization? do you consider it to be a cosmetic surgery

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Limbs wrote:

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Limbs wrote:
agreed
i don't think it's wrong to get plastic surgery at all, but you can't call it something it isn't. plastic surgery is giving in to your insecurities/social pressure, not loving yourself. i think you can still try to love yourself if you have plastic surgery, but you shouldn't be acting as an example for others or claiming that plastic surgery is self love...

Idk, sometimes an ugly nose is just an ugly nose

i disagree